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Altered Maps 4: Partitioning Eastern Europe Like In The Good Old Days

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You're wood people?

No, it's our traditional way of terrain administration (emfiteutisme). While the whole iberian peninsula worries about desetization, we worry about advancing forests. BTW, would you post a map of your planet with political divisions? May I do one?
 
Let me say one thing first: I really don't understand the purpose of a province called "Szatmar" (Satu Mare), since the town and the region around it that bears this name are both a PART of Maramures, and have always been. I would get rid of that one to make way for Crisana, which simply makes a lot more sense.
Having Maramures and Satu Mare separated seems simply illogical to me, as one is part of the other.

The states I have are as follows:

Wallachia
Oltenia

Bessarabia
Budjak

Maramures
Banat
Just wanted to say that it's incorrect to call Wallachia's capital province "Wallachia". It was always called "Muntenia". Wallachia is only an exonym that was used for the whole voivodship (Wallachia + Oltenia + sometimes Dobrogea), not for its main province. :)

I'm planning on naming Romanian Silistria simply Silistria, and Bulgarian one Dobruja.
:confused: It makes a lot more sense exactly the other way around... The Bulgarian one was called Silistria, the Romanian one Dobrogea.

I have Szatmar and Szolnok as Hungarian provinces, but I will try to squeeze in Crisana.

I will try to squeeze Moldova in between Bessarabia and Transylvania.
During the whole course of history that this game encompasses, Moldova was actually by far the more important one of the two. Basarabia got to be somewhat more important only after the break-up of the Soviet Union, as it became an independent country (known today as the Republic of Moldova, which of course is completely confusing for someone who isn't very familiar with the history of the region). Between Moldova and Basarabia, I'd choose having Moldova represented in the game any day of the week. :)

Transylvania in game is portrayed with Hungarian culture. Is this correct in the 1400's?
I'm not entirely sure what the concept of "culture" is supposed to mean.

But here are some facts, to help you take an informed decision:
- Transylvania never had, over the course of history, a Hungarian majority population (unless you believe in lunatic theories like Rossler's theory of migration, which not many people do, nowadays - and even according to those weirdo ideas the Hungarians were not a majority in the 15th century).
- However, until very recently (early 19th century), Romanians were not allowed to live inside the cities, in Transylvania, being only considered a "tolerated" population, in spite of the fact that they were a majority. Therefore, the whole urban population and nobility was either Hungarian, German, or Austrian.

Therefore, Romanians made up the bulk of the population, but didn't contribute too much to the cultural life until later, when they were granted more rights. I personally find it strange that the majority population is not the same as the "culture" of the province, which makes way for some really unusual things, like having a higher risk of rebellion when it belongs to Wallachia/Moldova than when it belongs to Hungary. That's funny, as the history of Transylvania is full of events started by Romanians in order to emancipate themselves. However, in the same time, because it was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary (and later the Austro-Hungarian Empire), Translyvania did have access to better technology and weapons, which goes well with the idea that the military they can produce in-game is better than that of Wallachia or Moldova.

I would personally change it, but it's up to you.

A much stranger part however is the religion. I really cannot understand why the religion in Transylvania is "catholic" in EU3. The fact that Catholicism (together with 2 forms of Protestantism) was the state religion in Transylvania, and that the majority of the population DID NOT follow this religion, was one of the major causes why the province changed hands, and doesn't belong to Hungary any more! I really don't know what you want to do about the culture, but the province should definitely have "Catholic" as state religion and "Orthodox" as majority religion. Just like it is in many Polish-controlled (=Catholic) regions, that are majority Orthodox, which is quite common for the easternmost provinces of Lithuania, right? Same goes for Banat, where the Orthodox presence was even higher (close to 90%), with both Romanians and Serbs being orthodox.

Again, I don't know what you want to do with the culture, but it should definitely be an Orthodox province with a Catholic state religion.

Also, is there any way you can split Transylvania?
There are a million ways. ;)

The German name Siebenbürgen (7 castles) comes exactly from the fact that there were, at one point, 7 castles of local importance administering various regions of the province. The problem is that if you want to go one level lower than one big Transylvania, you have to split it in at least 3 parts (Brasov, Alba, Cluj might work, although this classification disregards the existence of other important places like Sibiu). So I'm not sure how to do it without going at a microscopic level. Splitting it in 3-4 might work, but then you'd have so many small provinces. It's up to you.

I can give you a map of how Romania looks like currently for you to draw borders if you would like?

Certainly, but if you want to split Transylvania you should tell me in how many parts you want it divided. :) Approximately, of course.
 
Iirc you can still get executed by the state when you burn down the Queen's military docks or something :D
 
BTW, isn't it amusing how often the US finds itself in company of Third World/authoritarian countries? :mischief:

Ah well, at least the guys in New England have some sense, and at least the guys outside of the Deep South have the sense to not sentence people to death very often. :p
 
Ok, i'm switching the Silsitrians than. :p

Culture I assume is majority population. So Romanian it is. I'll take your idea regarding State Religion as well.

I was hoping if you can turn Transylvania into two provinces, rather than 7. :p I think I will leave it as it is. (although in divide et imperium it is divided into 2, Szeklar or something and Transylvania)
 
I was hoping if you can turn Transylvania into two provinces, rather than 7. :p I think I will leave it as it is. (although in divide et imperium it is divided into 2, Szeklar or something and Transylvania)

Then they probably made the Szekely-land a separate province. It's the area of Transylvania which has a Hungarian majority, and it lies in the extreme south-east. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székely_Land
 
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After fully centralising in <insert year of choice here> the European Union, in a rare moment of autocracy, decided to eliminate one it's own most vocal members. This state was riddeled with nationalism and revisionism, and the former especially made it a threat to the Union's future.

Russia, Germany, Hungary, Bohemia, Belarus and Ukraine all worked together to tear into the state, leaving a small polity centered on Warsaw. However, none of Warsaw or the partitioned state's inhabitants were able to hold the highest offices. Instead, a state council composed of one delegate from each of the occupying powers governed the area together. Russia increasingly moved closer to the EU after this cooperation, joining the EU in <insert year here>

As a last stroke and to remove the memory of the fallen state, it's name was erased from all history books, past, present and future. Only those who live there and/or want to revive it remember the name. For everyone else, the state is never referred to by name.


Remember to take this all in good humor, children. After hearing more Central vs. Eastern comments and some nationalist comments on the History Slovakae AAR, you cannot blame me for blowing off some steam. ;) And as a joke, I am also purposely parodying the Euroskeptic position to an extent(their fears a centralised EU will become some monstrosity out of 1984).
 
Well considering that Germany has claims to all of Bohemia/Silesia and Slovakia/Hungary/Krakow through the Habsburgs and it's own actions... as well as claims to Warsaw and Kaliningrad for the times they were held...

..You just might get your wish!

I must say, you are the strangest nationalist ever. :lol: It'd be like me protecting America's reputation at every turn, and then begging the Canadians or Europeans to invade us. :lol: Well... I suppose you're just making the best out of a bad situation... ( "Better the German Empire than Russian Empire" ) In America's case it would be:

"Better the United States of Canada then the United States of Mexico." :lol:
 
Well, that is what you get for being connected to Poland, Venezuela, and Canada (I think is the third country).
Just out of curiosity I looked it up and Canada is ranked ahead of Poland, lol.
 
Poland is doing absalute crap right now. Depressing.

I have not watched a football game since Poland played northern ireland in September(or was it August?).
 
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Spoiler :
It is the future. The place is Shanghai, the world financial capital and largest city within the Imperial Republic of China. The 30 million people of this dynamic, high-tech city enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world. The bustling ports receives ships from all over the Chinese Empire and beyond &#8211; tribute from the Southern Protectorates, food and raw materials from the Australian Autonomous Region, porn and other novelties from neutral Japan, a variety of goods and minerals from the African province of Maozedia (an inseparable part of China since time immemorial) and so on.

The central financial district was largely built ten years ago, when all the old buildings were torn down and rebuilt, as has been the custom. Today though, the Emperor has decreed that the buildings are still &#8220;new enough&#8221; and do not need to be torn down this year. The imposing Imperial Cathedral stood in the center of the city, where devout Christians light incense to Jesus before moving into the Great Hall of Harmony to pray to Confucius and Buddha. Not far away, the massive Three Seas Dam generate nigh limitless energy, while also protecting the country&#8217;s highly-developed east coast from being flooded by the Pacific Ocean. One can clearly see the minaret of the &#8220;Sea Wall Mosque&#8221;, built by ethnic Maldivians who today operate the Dam.

From the Shanghai Naval Base another flotilla is being sent to Maliujia (Malay: Melaka) to reinforce the Nanyang Fleet. China and India (officially, the &#8220;Srivijay Empire&#8221;) have an uneasy coexistence, ever since India decided to take a leaf from China&#8217;s book and &#8220;reclaim the lands which are rightfully ours&#8221; (in this case, Sumatra and Java, citing something vague about the Cholas). Two gigantic fleets check each other in the Straits of Malacca, while millions of troops faced each other on either side of Mount Qomulungma. Further west, relations with Iran aren&#8217;t as bad. In fact, ever since Shahanshah Khamenei III came to power, Iran has been quite friendly with China. Iran acts as a barrier against Caliphate and Indian expansion, while China supplies Iran with consumer goods, minerals, energy and weapons.

The theocratic Holy American Empire (Spanish: Sacro Imperio Americano) is largely isolationist. Its only trade and diplomatic relations are with the Central European Commonwealth, Kingdom of the Koreans, the State of Israel, and Japan. The rest of the world the Americans denounced variously as &#8220;terrorists&#8221; or &#8220;socialists&#8221;. The border with the southern neighbor, the neo-Communist Union of Bolivarian Socialist Republics, is particularly heavily guarded. The Empire is ruled by the Holy Order of the Eagle, a military-religious order reminiscent of the Crusader Knights of old. The Americans gave up on crusading a while ago, however, and have retreated from international affairs. They nevertheless took over Greenland and Iceland, as outposts from which to observe events in Europe, where tensions between the two rival claimants to the Caliphate are high.

The Caliphate used to be united (not counting, of course, the Iranian &#8220;rogue state&#8221;). However, rifts soon appear within the Ummah (especially after a million Muslim warriors were massacred by a thousand Israeli defenders trying to retake Damascus. To be far, they had Giant Death Robots), leading to the Schism, resulting in two rival Caliphates &#8211; one based in London, one in Rome &#8211; jousting for power. There are divisions within the two camps as well; the Nigerian Sultanate for example is notorious for political treachery, backstabbing, and general lawlessness.

The eastern border of the Sultanate of Germany is what is known as the &#8220;Iron Curtain&#8221;. East of this is the territory of the Central European Commonwealth. As the rest of Europe became Chinese or Muslim, the constituent nations of the CEC banded together (Irlandia, formerly Ireland, is also part of this union). They form a buffer between the Chinese-controlled &#8220;Western Protectorates&#8221; and the Caliphates. The border of the CEC is heavily-guarded, behind which its citizens can safely celebrate their common &#8220;Central Europeaness&#8221;.

No power so far dares to take on the Finns.
 
I love it! :goodjob: Not just the Finn thing, but the map overall.

I imagine China is the top superpower now, followed by the HAE(The Caliphate would be in second I imagine if it hadn't torn itself apart).

I love how you mixed realistic trends with fears. China progressed into superpower status, whereas the Hispanic and Muslim growth rates transformed America and Europe, respectively... :lol: Furthermore how Chavez and others' Bolivarian ideals became a reality... and how Israel has more or less become a Zionist empire...

Overall, excellent combination of actual trends with common political phobias.

Now... who's going to be ambitious enough to turn this into a Civ 3 scenario? :mischief: I want to see World War III(? I'm sure there's been another world war by this point given the fact China's eaten Rusistan)
 
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