Alternate History Thread II...
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One question das. Is it just me, or is the northern Indian power's capital at New Delhi? Which wasn't really founded at this point in time? Which really means it shouldn't be the capital?
MjM
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ThomAnder said:
Not for me!
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Das. Are the nobility/feudal lords in Lusitania largely Orthodox? Do any of them have a claim to the throne? Or are those following the True Faith only peasants?
I'm having a strong urge to kill the Normans, and replace them with a latinized Iberian Empire.
Hmm...Imperium Lusitanium, sounds promising.
I'm having a strong urge to kill the Normans, and replace them with a latinized Iberian Empire.
Hmm...Imperium Lusitanium, sounds promising.
das
Regeneration In Process
No, it is at Pushkara, or should be anyway.
Practically none of them are Orthodox. They're all, with a few exceptions, Hibernian, which is what makes things worse here.
Of the Orthodox ones? None. But the throne is powerless anyway.
Mostly, yes. There are also the other commonfolk, who are also mostly Orthodox. The ones in the east coast are the most rebellious and at the same time most... sophisticated I guess, they even have one of those few Orthodox Normans on their side.
das
Regeneration In Process
Cahamana Empire
Capital: Delhi [NK, I did some research - in OTL, it WAS founded by the direct predecessors of the Cahamana Kingdom, so it might as well be the capital]
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hinduism (small Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Normal)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: After the downfall of both Horsha's Empire in the 7th century and the Gurjara-Pratihara in the 10th, political vacuum filled Northern India, as it became a battleground for a multitude of Rajput warlords and lesser, but more civilized rulers. The Persian invasion and conquest of the Sind in the 12th century and the Mongol incursions in the 13th did seemingly little to unite the locals into anything more lasting than a princely coalition, but in fact they crucially weakened the north-western states, whereas the north-eastern ones weren't particularily strong to begin with. Finally, the Rajput rulers of the central-northern kingdom of Cahamana managed to crush their weakened neighbours and by 1350 united the entire northern half of India. Though southern expansion stumbled thus far due to the rising force of Kakatiya, the Rajputs are never ones to surrender their ambitions easily...
Kataka
Capital: Kataka
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Normal)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Tolerable)
Economy: Not Bad (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: Kataka is a shard of the once-great empire of the Eastern Gangas. During the Indian Dark Age (10th-14th centuries), that empire at first flourished as one of the last remnants of the great Hindu culture, but eventually was destroyed by civil war and Rajput invasions. Later, the city-state of Kataka recovered, but was nearly-conquered by the Cahamanas in 1397, and only was saved by the Kakatiyans. But the saviours of Kataka are also eyeing it hungrily now...
Kakatiya
Capital: Orungallu
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 30 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Better
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: The Andhras of the south are another one of the peoples that grew in power during the Indian Dark Age. Their Kakatiya dynasty, emerging in the 11th century, has soon become the main opposition to the Rajput expansionism. Though the early 14th century saw it stagnate and decline, under Naraya I it recovered just in time to counter the greatest Rajput empire in existance, the Cahamana Empire. Though the Kakatiyas failed in their more ambitious plans for northern and/or southern expansion, they have succesfully united central India and fought back the Rajputs, becoming a strong centralized state poised to dominate Deccan in the process.
Hoysalas
Capital: Dvarasamudra
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hinduism (tiny Jainist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: The Hoysalas, archenemies of the eastern Chalukyas since the former dynasty's foundation in the 11th century, have outlasted their enemies, but themselves were badly weakened by the constant warfare in Deccan. Though a combination of intrigue and remaining military prowess allowed them to survive the rise of both the Kakatiyas and the Cholas, in the end the Hoysalas have been reduced to the position of a secondary, if not tertiary, power. But perhaps, it is not too late for an imperial renaissance?
Later Palavas
Capital: Kanchipuram
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Better)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: After a brief 7th century flourishing, the Palavas fell first into decline and later, in the 10th century, to the Cholas. However, the Chola hold on their northern provinces was never particularily strong, especially as they were distracted by their colonial campaigns in the Indian Ocean, and so during the Dark Ages, after a particularily vigorous Kakatiyan-Hoysalan invasion (1264-1281) left the former Palavan lands devastated, the people rebelled, rallying around a purported descendant of the ancient ruling house, by the name of Mahendravaraha. This Mahendravaraha fought back the Cholas and defended Palavan independence. His descendants briefly vassalized the Hoysalas and even conquered the core Cholan lands, but later were repulsed and their empire fell apart; however, the Palavan realm itself has survived.
Cholas
Capital: Ahuradhapura
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Hinduism (medium Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 45 ships (Professional)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The ancient Cholas have survived to this day, still strong and quite deserving the title of the rulers of the waves. After a brief period of Deccanian hegemony (through conquest and inheritance) in the 11th-12th centuries, they suffered numerous respites on the mainland, culminating with the devastation of Cholan Proper lands by the Palavans in the 14th century; since then, the Cholan capital remained in the more safe Sinhalese city of Ahuradhapura. Regardless, the Cholas continued to prosper due to maritime commerce and the flourishing of crafts; the former was particularily assured by the establishment of an Indian Ocean colonial empire, mostly-succesful naval wars with Bantam and the maintenance of good relations with Yuan China. However, all this also won the Cholas many enemies who are only waiting for them to slip...
Yuan China
Capital: Dadu
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Uberunitary
Religion: Tengrism (large Confucianist majority, medium Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 70 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 25 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Average
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: When Genghis Khan united the Mongols in the early 13th century, one of his first enemies were the Chinese, disunited as they were. The Northern Jin fell first; the Southern Song had to wait until Kublai Khan assumed power in the Universal Mongol Empire and recovered from his relatives' defeat in the west. As the Mongols concentrated on China, though, they conquered it and consolidated their hold on it in spite of all the resistance, later extending their rule to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Annam and Luzon. The Yuan Chinese armies are strong and numerous, but the rulers in Dadu preside over a chronically-disloyal population...
Pagan
Capital: Ava
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Buddhism (tiny Hinduist minority)
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Tolerable
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: After the early Paganese golden age of the 9th-13th centuries, Pagan suddenly and abruptly was brought near collapse by civil wars and foreign invasions. Though Thabawatha, in the late 13th century, managed to preserve its independence, the northernmost provinces have been occupied by the Mongols, whereas Pegu became first a Cholan vassal and then a province. As for the remnants of Pagan, they still maintain a precarious existance with the help of their former Khmer enemies.
Khmer Empire
Capital: Angkor
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Buddhism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: Founded by Javayarman II in the 8th century AD, the Khmer Empire was and still is one of the primary powers in South-East Asia, especially as the weakened China was in no position to slow down the Khmer expansion. Economically, culturally and militarily strong, Khmeria, in spite of some complications and even civil wars, remained strong enough to fight back the Mongol invasions of the 13th and 14th centuries, if only in alliance with Bantam and not without territorial losses. In the process, to fight the Yuan allies in Chola, the Khmer navy was created, whereas the army underwent modernization. Now, the Khmers are waiting for Chola and/or Yuan China to make some fatal mistake, such as distracting themselves elsewhere, so that a bid for greater power ould be made.
Bantam
Capital: Bantam
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Buddhism (small Hinduist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 35 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Good
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The great empire of Srivijaya, and the not-so-great, or rather not-so-long-living empire of Singhasari and Majapahit, the two predecessors of Bantam, were both destroyed by Mongol invaders throughout the 13th and early 14th centuries, but in neither case could the Mongols gain a permanent foothold on Java or Sumatra. The Bantamese, led by King Rajakertana, united Java and allied with the Khmers, engaging in an irregular war with the Cholas and the Yuan Chinese and keeping both at bay, with bribes if not with fleets (which isn't to say that the Bantamese fleet was weak...).
Capital: Delhi [NK, I did some research - in OTL, it WAS founded by the direct predecessors of the Cahamana Kingdom, so it might as well be the capital]
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hinduism (small Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Normal)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: After the downfall of both Horsha's Empire in the 7th century and the Gurjara-Pratihara in the 10th, political vacuum filled Northern India, as it became a battleground for a multitude of Rajput warlords and lesser, but more civilized rulers. The Persian invasion and conquest of the Sind in the 12th century and the Mongol incursions in the 13th did seemingly little to unite the locals into anything more lasting than a princely coalition, but in fact they crucially weakened the north-western states, whereas the north-eastern ones weren't particularily strong to begin with. Finally, the Rajput rulers of the central-northern kingdom of Cahamana managed to crush their weakened neighbours and by 1350 united the entire northern half of India. Though southern expansion stumbled thus far due to the rising force of Kakatiya, the Rajputs are never ones to surrender their ambitions easily...
Kataka
Capital: Kataka
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Normal)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Tolerable)
Economy: Not Bad (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Competent
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: Kataka is a shard of the once-great empire of the Eastern Gangas. During the Indian Dark Age (10th-14th centuries), that empire at first flourished as one of the last remnants of the great Hindu culture, but eventually was destroyed by civil war and Rajput invasions. Later, the city-state of Kataka recovered, but was nearly-conquered by the Cahamanas in 1397, and only was saved by the Kakatiyans. But the saviours of Kataka are also eyeing it hungrily now...
Kakatiya
Capital: Orungallu
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 30 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Better
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: The Andhras of the south are another one of the peoples that grew in power during the Indian Dark Age. Their Kakatiya dynasty, emerging in the 11th century, has soon become the main opposition to the Rajput expansionism. Though the early 14th century saw it stagnate and decline, under Naraya I it recovered just in time to counter the greatest Rajput empire in existance, the Cahamana Empire. Though the Kakatiyas failed in their more ambitious plans for northern and/or southern expansion, they have succesfully united central India and fought back the Rajputs, becoming a strong centralized state poised to dominate Deccan in the process.
Hoysalas
Capital: Dvarasamudra
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hinduism (tiny Jainist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: The Hoysalas, archenemies of the eastern Chalukyas since the former dynasty's foundation in the 11th century, have outlasted their enemies, but themselves were badly weakened by the constant warfare in Deccan. Though a combination of intrigue and remaining military prowess allowed them to survive the rise of both the Kakatiyas and the Cholas, in the end the Hoysalas have been reduced to the position of a secondary, if not tertiary, power. But perhaps, it is not too late for an imperial renaissance?
Later Palavas
Capital: Kanchipuram
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Hinduism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Better)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Educated
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: After a brief 7th century flourishing, the Palavas fell first into decline and later, in the 10th century, to the Cholas. However, the Chola hold on their northern provinces was never particularily strong, especially as they were distracted by their colonial campaigns in the Indian Ocean, and so during the Dark Ages, after a particularily vigorous Kakatiyan-Hoysalan invasion (1264-1281) left the former Palavan lands devastated, the people rebelled, rallying around a purported descendant of the ancient ruling house, by the name of Mahendravaraha. This Mahendravaraha fought back the Cholas and defended Palavan independence. His descendants briefly vassalized the Hoysalas and even conquered the core Cholan lands, but later were repulsed and their empire fell apart; however, the Palavan realm itself has survived.
Cholas
Capital: Ahuradhapura
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Hinduism (medium Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 45 ships (Professional)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The ancient Cholas have survived to this day, still strong and quite deserving the title of the rulers of the waves. After a brief period of Deccanian hegemony (through conquest and inheritance) in the 11th-12th centuries, they suffered numerous respites on the mainland, culminating with the devastation of Cholan Proper lands by the Palavans in the 14th century; since then, the Cholan capital remained in the more safe Sinhalese city of Ahuradhapura. Regardless, the Cholas continued to prosper due to maritime commerce and the flourishing of crafts; the former was particularily assured by the establishment of an Indian Ocean colonial empire, mostly-succesful naval wars with Bantam and the maintenance of good relations with Yuan China. However, all this also won the Cholas many enemies who are only waiting for them to slip...
Yuan China
Capital: Dadu
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Uberunitary
Religion: Tengrism (large Confucianist majority, medium Buddhist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 70 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 25 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Average
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: When Genghis Khan united the Mongols in the early 13th century, one of his first enemies were the Chinese, disunited as they were. The Northern Jin fell first; the Southern Song had to wait until Kublai Khan assumed power in the Universal Mongol Empire and recovered from his relatives' defeat in the west. As the Mongols concentrated on China, though, they conquered it and consolidated their hold on it in spite of all the resistance, later extending their rule to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Annam and Luzon. The Yuan Chinese armies are strong and numerous, but the rulers in Dadu preside over a chronically-disloyal population...
Pagan
Capital: Ava
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Buddhism (tiny Hinduist minority)
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Tolerable
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: After the early Paganese golden age of the 9th-13th centuries, Pagan suddenly and abruptly was brought near collapse by civil wars and foreign invasions. Though Thabawatha, in the late 13th century, managed to preserve its independence, the northernmost provinces have been occupied by the Mongols, whereas Pegu became first a Cholan vassal and then a province. As for the remnants of Pagan, they still maintain a precarious existance with the help of their former Khmer enemies.
Khmer Empire
Capital: Angkor
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Buddhism
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: Founded by Javayarman II in the 8th century AD, the Khmer Empire was and still is one of the primary powers in South-East Asia, especially as the weakened China was in no position to slow down the Khmer expansion. Economically, culturally and militarily strong, Khmeria, in spite of some complications and even civil wars, remained strong enough to fight back the Mongol invasions of the 13th and 14th centuries, if only in alliance with Bantam and not without territorial losses. In the process, to fight the Yuan allies in Chola, the Khmer navy was created, whereas the army underwent modernization. Now, the Khmers are waiting for Chola and/or Yuan China to make some fatal mistake, such as distracting themselves elsewhere, so that a bid for greater power ould be made.
Bantam
Capital: Bantam
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Buddhism (small Hinduist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 35 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Good
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The great empire of Srivijaya, and the not-so-great, or rather not-so-long-living empire of Singhasari and Majapahit, the two predecessors of Bantam, were both destroyed by Mongol invaders throughout the 13th and early 14th centuries, but in neither case could the Mongols gain a permanent foothold on Java or Sumatra. The Bantamese, led by King Rajakertana, united Java and allied with the Khmers, engaging in an irregular war with the Cholas and the Yuan Chinese and keeping both at bay, with bribes if not with fleets (which isn't to say that the Bantamese fleet was weak...).
das
Regeneration In Process
Well, that would be all. Feel free to start it, Azale!
North King
blech
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I didn't have objections to Delhi, das. NEW Delhi, however...
das
Regeneration In Process
Well that was just a clarification anyway.
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blech
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All right.
Azale, start the darn NES...
Azale, start the darn NES...
conehead234
Braves on the Warpath
I want Isondegia, take it you die.
Insane_Panda
Deity
I want Frankreich or Viking Britain. Probably Viking Britian just to give me a change of pace.
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blech
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If Panda takes Britain, I'll take Frankreich.
Oruc
Reactionary
Their are no Reserves you morons!
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We're just officially declaring interest...
Oruc
Reactionary
North King said:We're just officially declaring interest...
If i was new I would take one of those countries just to Piss you off, I hate reserves and elitists
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I could sing a song about Lusitania...
But I won't.
Hmm, Imperial Roman Lusitania....Roman Republic of Lusitania...Latin Lusitania...there are so many choices!
But I won't.
Hmm, Imperial Roman Lusitania....Roman Republic of Lusitania...Latin Lusitania...there are so many choices!
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And if you did it just to piss me off, emu, I would rebel. 
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