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Alternate History Thread II...

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Xen, Sep 25, 2005.

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  1. das

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    As of late 1775, the American cause seemed quite doomed. Rebel allies were about to drop out, and in spite of all the British were winning. The Congress was on the brink of capitulation. But not all was this bad - Britain was increasingly war-weary (and Ireland was up in flames yet again), American privateers still waged their war and Rochambeau's corps continued to fight on the American side.

    The British decided to speed up the end of the war by once more attacking White Plains. In the Third Battle thereof, however, their advance was stopped by the American general Benedict Arnold, who procceeded to rout them (Cornwallis died in the proccess). Then Benedict Arnold marched to the White Fields himself. He had reliable information with documentary evidence about important members of the Congress being involved in negotiations with the British. His troops, blindly loyal to him by that troublesome year of 1776, occupied White Plains and the treacherous/"treacherous" members (those who didn't escape, anyway...) of the Congress were hung (for treachery, what else?). The loyal members of the Congress unanimously (hard not to be unanimous at the point of a gun - that said, the situation was quite desperate) declared Benedict Arnold "Supreme Commander" of the American forces, with dictatorial powers.

    The Supreme Commander then proceeded to make use of said powers. A levee en masse was declared; power was consolidated in his hands; regionalism was undermined; taxes were raised very high, as a temporary war measure ofcourse. There was much dissent, some mutinies, some rebellions. But they were all crushed. Severe measures were introduced against the Tories and other resistors.

    On the military front, the Supreme Commander scored a series of great victories. The British were defeated at Valley Forge and at Philadelphia, as Rochembeau came from the south and Arnold came from the north - thus the British were expelled from the central American region. From there, Benedict Arnold started a northern campaign, crushing the British in a hard-fought battle at Bennington and thus outflanking them in New England. A decisive victory at Medford confirmed the turning of the tide.

    Seeking to consolidate his gains back in Europe, and still troubled with the Russian situation, Friedrich the Great refused to send major forces to save the British situation in America (this started the Anglo-Prussian estrangement). The minor corps that was despatched proved enough to defeat the Americans at St. Croix, but not enough to stop Benedict Arnold's invasion of Canada. With the British defeat at Longueuil in 1778, and with Rochambeau (who fought on despite French surrender and sale of Louisiana in 1776, retitling his Franco-Spanish force into the Foreign Volunteer Legion) repelling the British armies at New Orleans, the British had to sign peace.

    In Europe, meanwhile, the French Provisional government dropped out of the war, allowing Prussia to concentrate on the Russian threat. Russians by then have managed to make some gains, largely thanks to the highly competent commanders such as Orlov, Potemkin and Suvorov. The Turks were finally expelled out of Crimea, and the Prussians were fought to a stalemate at Zhitomir. Nonetheless, the Prussian war machine was by then unstoppable, and this was recognized by Catherine II, who agreed, in 1777, to begin negotiations. Albeit they nearly broke down later in the year and were subsequently abandoned, in 1778 the Treaty of Brunswick has finally ended this Second Coalition War.

    Peace settlement resulted in a following post-war world:

    North America: the Free American Commonwealth was created in Canada, Quebec, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Native American Territory (territory between Virginia and Louisiana), Georgia, Louisiana. Benedict Arnold resigned as Supreme Commander and became the President instead, retaining dictatorial powers. Britain kept/gained Rupert's Land, the Maritimes, East Florida and West Florida.

    Europe: The French Republic and the French Provisional Government were officially recognized (a civil war begun there soon after). Austrian Netherlands gained independance as the Kingdom of Belgium, ruled by the Wittelsbach Dynasty's Rhenish line (which lost its other lands to Prussia). Holy Roman Empire was dissolved, to be replaced by the more centralized (but still not fully united) German Empire, with the hereditary Prussian Hohenzollern domination; said Empire did NOT include Austria (now Austrian Empire), Belgium or Schleswig-Holstein. Rhenish Wittelsbach, Habsburg enclave and some other German minor lands were annexed by Prussia. Bavaria itself, whose last Wittelsbach ruler died during the negotiations, was granted to the Saxons, whose King Augustus III of Poland had the dubious record of mostly uninterested reign in four different countries, alternatingly. Poland was partitioned - Austria gained Galicia (as a compensation for the loss of all influence in Germany; well, that, and Russia couldn't let the Prussians have it and vice versa, whilst an independant Galicia could develop ambitions), Prussia gained Poland west of Neman and Russia gained the regions east of it. Ottomans regained Banat, but lost Crimea (without Yedisan) to Russia.

    (Other) Colonies: Britain gained Trinidad, Puerto Rico, Guyana, Cayenne, Buenos Aires (and surroundings), Falklands, French Senegal, Cape Colony, Pondicherry, Ceylon, Malay Peninsula, Sumatra, Dutch Borneo, Philippines and a confirmed sphere of influence in much of India. Portugal gained Uruguay and all lands east of Parana River.
     
  2. das

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    Nice, nice, NK, but didn't you mention Burgundy being crushed previously?

    EDIT: And the same about Hungary.
     
  3. North King

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    Nice, das. Continue!

    EDIT:

    Yes, yes I did.

    Did I forget to edit that, so it still reads that the Austrians might inherit Burgundy? Or something?

    >_<

    Burgundy is a separate crown of France as of yet, but likely won't continue that way since by definition it passes on to the King of France.
     
  4. das

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    You wrote that the DUCHY of Burgundy was crushed, and then the French suddenly felt the urge to marry into the Burgundian ruling family (which happens to be incest, I suspect).
     
  5. North King

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    Did they?

    *checks notes*

    No. I think you're misinterpreting.

    France is heir to the Burgundian throne by right of conquest, not by marraige... Mary of Burgundy, only heir to Charles the Bold, is actually missing at this point.

    Burgundy is a separate crown from France still, but unlikely to remain so, as it has no heirs of its own, and is now officially a French title. No intermarraige has taken place... yet.
     
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    Ah. And what of Hungary?
     
  7. North King

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    Hungary was stripped of all posessions outside of its core. It basically comprises the land that is modern Hungary and Slovakia in OTL. Its ruler is now a Jagellion since Sigismund was disembowled by a Turkish cannonball.
     
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    Very nice, both das and NK.

    Please, both continue!
     
  9. Jason The King

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    Good work das, enjoying (ill get to North King's later). Please continue!
     
  10. das

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    Is confused because:

    Jason, IP, will get to it soon.
     
  11. North King

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    Oh, crap. Didn't... remember... that... >_> It still exists.
     
  12. das

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    What exists - Hungary or the treaty? Maybe a compromise is in order (Hungary as a Turkish tributary state, like OTL Russia to Mongols)?
     
  13. das

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    OOC: That was a big one. Comments still encouraged, suggestions aren't disencouraged neither - in particular, some opinions about India would be appreciated (possibility of major anti-British rebellions, other anti-British states in India apart from Maratha Confederacy and Mysore). I can deal without it, but NK and silver2039 probably know more about the region then I do.

    IC:

    During the period of 1777-1796, two separate, and in a way exactly opposite to each other proccesses had occured in Europe (and associated territories in the Western Hemisphere, by extension). On one hand, the previous alliance system dissolved under pressure, to be re-formed in 1790s in a new form. On the other hand, the (western) world has undergone a polarization and a radicalization, as first the intellectual elite and later all the people and nations were divided between Revolutionary and Reactionary camps (or Liberal and Conservative ones in the milder version of it). This didn't prevent the rivalry within both camps and trans-ideologic (is that a word?) alliances, ofcourse, but it was a notable proccess that greatly damaged all nations involved due to the "witch hunts" in most European countries for supporters of the "wrong" ideology. The guillotines, though slowed down considerably later on, reaped much harvest in the late 1770s, whilst the hangmen of Central and Eastern Europe didn't have too much free time neither.

    And yet, life went on. Emigres went in and out of France according to political opinions, and culture developed on both sides of the curtain. Anti-clericalism and the revolutionary spirit in France developed separately from mainstream European religious revival and conservatism (that frequently conflicted with liberalism, which was quite "legal" if frowned upon and interferred with by the censors and the government generally).

    In North America, the menace (as perceived by, well, pretty much everybody else around them, from Amerinds to Spain) of the Free American Commonwealth has come to an abrupt end in 1785, when the President-for-Life, Benedict Arnold, died - perhaps poisoned, though his war wounds back from Longueil have troubled him badly. The republic that came afterwards was short-lived - the regionalism that the President tried to crush was too strong, the differences between the Franco-American (Canadian, Louisianan, by extension Cajun) minority and the Anglo-American majority were too great, and indeed there were major differences in interest. And besides, with many of the best and the brightest of American republicans dead, ill or exiled (for participating in the 1783 Conspiracy against the President), it was way too hard to keep all things in line. Finally, Benedict Arnold's lieutenants, such as Rochembeau and Ethan Allen, soon started fighting for power, attacking each other's forces and hastily-assembled reluctant Congressional militias.

    By 1788, the "Wars of Presidential Succession" have resulted in the creation of the following states:
    - Canadian Republic in Quebec and Canada (plus the northern part of the OTL Northwestern Territory);
    - North American Federation (later renamed into New Englander Federation) in southern Northwestern Territory, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Massachusetts.
    - Democratic Republic of America in Maryland, Native American Territory (shall we say that it didn't stay Native American for long?), North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia.
    - Louisianian Empire (under Rochambeau) in, surprise-surprise, Louisiana.

    The four states have at first undergone a not-very-peaceful consolidation period, and were often hostile to each other. They were in a comparative isolation, though by 1796, New England was increasingly friendly towards Britain, whilst Louisiana and Canada have allied with each other and with France. DRA was in a most precarious position, thusly, though it also begun befriending the Francophone Entente.

    In Latin America, independance movements, inspired by the North American Revolution and incited by the DRA, have sprouted up in large amounts, spiling out into numerous rebellions, ranging from an attempted Incan restoration to an army mutiny in Brazil. None of these succeeded so far... but the revolutionaries keep trying. Britain, meanwhile, turned Buenos Aires into a commercial center and the "Gem of South America/in the British Crown", with an internationale of Irish, Welsh, British and Spanish people, which isn't mentioning the mulattoes, the Amerinds and the occasional French and Portuguese. In the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata, meanwhile, Asuncion became the capital and was restored as the dominant Spanish city in the area.

    In the power-struggles of the French Republic (1778-1783), Marquis de Lafayette (or rather Gilbert Lafayette, as a "marquis" in charge of a French Republic isn't something the people will buy) rose to power and led France into an era of consolidation and liberal dictatorship (think a more republican version of OTL Second Empire and/or a less corrupt and oligarchic version of OTL Directory France; there are also some parallels with Ataturk's Turkey). Major reforms were undertaken, the tricolour was adopted, the mass executions were gradually cut down on (pun intended) and military reforms along a combination of Prussian and meritocratic lines were undertaken. Economy was reformed and reinvigorated, a merchant marine was developed as relations with the Francophone AND Anglophone American countries improved. France gradually reestablished diplomatic relations with the world, but most European nations still looked upon it with suspicion.

    Having finished his reforms, First Consul Lafayette decided to start some expansion, to try out his army and to hopefully revive French military fortunes. In 1786, he refused to pay tribute to the Barbary Coast pirates, goading them into war. The French then quickly won a series of victories, occupying Algerian, Tunisian and Tripolitian coastlines. Tripoli was "returned" to the Ottoman Empire, in return for recognition of French conquest of Algiers and Tunis; a secret treaty of alliance was signed, and French advisors soon were instructing Abdulhamid I and his successor Selim III, a great reformer. The Ottoman Empire suffered from much strife, due to opposition of the feudal grandees to Selim's reforms, but still, things were beginning to look up for the Sublime Porte for the first time perhaps since the loss of Hungary.

    Then came a golden opportunity. The monarchies of Europe were still unsure as to who was worse - the German Empire or the French Republic. The Prussians by then lost most of their allies outside of Germany, however they were playing a dynastic gambit in Netherlands; William V, the Stadholder of that country, has married Wilhelmina, Friedrich the Great's sister. Their reign was quite unpopular due to the recent lost war and the increasing reliance on Prussian support, which however was rather limited until Friedrich died in 1786. This was used by the Dutch "Patriots" to rise up in arms; they were secretly supported by Lafayette. Friedrich Wilhelm II, who was much more incompetent then his great predecessor, immediately commited troops to save William V...

    What followed was the Dutch Patriotic War, in which the French Republican forces have shown their great skill, led by Lafayette and a certain general from Corsica. Prussian forces won the battle at Homburg, but that was a diversionary attack; meanwhile, Lafayette and Bonaparte invaded Belgium, whose Prussian puppet government was also suffering from Francophone dissent. Prussians, already faring badly due to defiant Patriot resistance in Western Holland, were forced to send troops to Belgium, but they were routed in the great battle at Waterloo in 1788. In Netherlands, Patriot-French forces won another victory - at Tilburg. With Austria and Russia looking hungrily at the Prussian borders and with lesser German states plotting, Friedrich Wilhelm had no choice but to sign a peace treaty restoring the "status quo"... for the German Empire and the Prussian Kingdom. Belgium, however, was annexed by France, whilst Herman Willem Daendels, the Patriot leader, has formed a French-style liberal dictatorship in the Dutch Republic.

    And on the southern front, where Sardinia was another Prussian ally and a part of the anti-French cordon, the French easily routed the forces of the incompetent Victor Amadeus III, occupying Piedmont and annexing it all soon after the treaty with Prussia; this left Victor Amadeus III as the king of Sardinia... and nothing else. The Pope was reported to be biting his nails (no hair).

    This war's result had the effect of a bombshell in Europe. Suddenly, France turned from a self-destructive, impoverished republic into a great power (with confirmed ties with Netherlands and rumoured ones with Turkey), whilst the vaunted Prussian army has been proven somewhat obsolete. The German Empire wasn't so scary after all. France was. So Russia, Spain, Austria and Britain begun to reconcile with the Prussians, fearful of France; so did the Italian statelets as well.

    In India, more specifically Mysore, the Tippu Sultan, after securing his throne and defeating a British intervention force, sat quietly, without foreign adventures - he was persuaded by a French ambassador that he should wait until the time is ripe (tm). Military and other reforms along French lines continued, the wunderwaffe of India (no, not elephants, I'm talking about war rockets) was produced in large amounts and secretly shared with the French (where Lafayette persuaded and paid the Montgolfier brothers to stop fooling around with some silly baloons and to start developing better war rockets instead), and rebellions against British reign were incited.

    British loyalists were largely resettled in Cape Colony and Australia. Speaking of the latter, the French, using the allied port of Batavia, sent Bougainville to try and explore that continent's coastline again, just in case, in 1792; the expedition resulted in the navigation of much of the northern Australian coast. Finally, in 1795, a Dutch outpost was established in Arnhem Land (more specifically, at OTL Darwin).

    The stage was being set for the eventual "World War Three" according to the aforementioned nomenclature revisionists.
     
  14. North King

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    I'm afraid my expertise quickly vanishes post 600. If you can call it expertise before then... It's just a hobby. <_<
     
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    Meh, it wasn't all that essential I guess.
     
  16. Insane_Panda

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    Vive le France! Vive le Laffayette! Vive le Napoleon!

    Great stuff. I don't know anything about India, so I'll let others comment on that ;)
     
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    Ah yes, I have some plans for that Corsican...
     
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    I wonder what Andrew Jackson is doing?...
     
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    His time will come.
     
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    Blah blah blah Andrew Jackson blah blah blah.

    Vive le Napoleon!
     
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