American-born jihadist Anwar al-Awlaki Killed.

VRWCAgent said:
Only in a 'world-wide' vs 'internal' sort of way. Their methods were obviously similiar...spread terror, target innocents, etc. I must say I am shocked that the UK was ever willing to deal with them.
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Like I told you yesterday, the amnesties given to all criminals during the Troubles is probably the greatest thing Labour ever did, otherwise Northern Ireland would be a hella lot worse than it already is.
 
@both red and non: Which I guess I can wrap my head around. And that probably goes back to it being an 'internal' vs 'worldwide' thing. More able to actually deal with them, I suppose.
 
VRWCAgent said:
Right, because taking out a high-level person like we just did is just like taking out a little ol' granny in Dublin or Boston who gave some money to the IRA... :rolleyes:
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How do you actually know how "high-level" he was, or what role he actually played. AFAIK he has never personally engaged in any terrorist activity, nor has anybody in Yemen even engaged in any terrorist activity against the US since he arrived. It is all hearsay.
 
VRWCAgent said:
Right, because taking out a high-level person like we just did is just like taking out a little ol' granny in Dublin or Boston who gave some money to the IRA... :rolleyes:
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Also, I should point out the Brits repeatedly used the SAS to assassinate members of the IRA under dubious circumstances.
 
MobBoss said:
I would consider this guy an enemy. I have no idea why you wouldnt.

I also swore I would follow the orders of the President and those officers appointed over me. Last I checked the boss said this guy was an enemy. Thats good enough for me.
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How is this guy an enemy of the Constitution? Purposely bypassing the 5th Amednment to the Constitution, especially in regards to an American, seems to be more in enemy of the Constitution territory.
 
Quick question because I honestly don't know the answer. Who was supporting the IRA in America? Was it individuals in the US government or private citizens? And if it was individuals in the US government were they doing this on their own initiative or what? Either way I would agree the US government should have stopped it.
 
Uh, the government never funded the IRA. It was citizen donations. Which...crap, just as bad practically. :(
 
JollyRoger said:
How is this guy an enemy of the Constitution? Purposely bypassing the 5th Amednment to the Constitution, especially in regards to an American, seems to be more in enemy of the Constitution territory.
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Wow...just wow. :(
 
How do you mean though? As in using their position in the government to further assist the IRA, or just "random citizen x, whose job happens to be with government, privately gave money"?
 
VRWCAgent said:
How do you mean though? As in using their position in the government to further assist the IRA, or just "random citizen x, whose job happens to be with government, privately gave money"?
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Ted Kennedy was allegedly a supporter.
 
Honestly wouldn't surprise me. And..while troublesome as hell that a sitting Senator would have supported them, I suspect that support was still private and nothing at all like somehow using Senate resources to aid the IRA.
 
VRWCAgent said:
Honestly wouldn't surprise me. And..while troublesome as hell that a sitting Senator would have supported them, I suspect that support was still private and nothing at all like somehow using Senate resources to aid the IRA.
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I never said it was. But individuals within the US govt did support them, and that's what NovaKart asked. Kennedy was a scumbag though. A lot of Americans had very romantic ideas about the provos in the 1980s being like some sort of Celtic Chieftan freedom fighters, but by that stage they were butchers. It's understandable; with that much distance from a conflict it may be far less straightforward than you imagine. But that's something to learn and apply to every situation. It is never bad guy vs good guy. Even in WW2 it was more complex than that. Understanding that makes you less likely to get into these situations.
 
Well America does have a long history of turning a blind eye to Irish terrorism going back to the
19th century but I didn't know about government individuals being involved but I think now that it's mentioned I do vaguely remember hearing something along those lines.
 
Don't get me wrong now: I'm generally for a United Ireland, but not for the provos.
 
I have no idea how transparent and solid the evidence behind the charges against al-Awlaki where. But surely a healthy opposition or media would be able to mount a credible counter to it within the 18 months that has passed since the Obama administration anounced the unprecedented "kill or capture" order?
 
Singularity said:
I have no idea how transparent and solid the evidence behind the charges against al-Awlaki where. But surely a healthy opposition or media would be able to mount a credible counter to it within the 18 months that has passed since the Obama administration anounced the unprecedented "kill or capture" order?
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Thanks for reminding me about the discussion we had 18 months ago.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=360552

In that thread I posted audio of al-Awlaki declaring war on the US, and the same person I was arguing with then is now currently asking for any kind of proof that al-Awlaki declared war on the US. (Page 9 in the old thread)

Some things never change.
 
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