An Idea Of why Marijauana Is Illegal

[Elta]

Why should i have to be in a war-zone if i want to be explicitly coherent?


Well, thanks for the sentiment but unfortunately my schedule is routinely thrown off by friends. How silly it is to take such a grossly asinine induction from my comments. Anyways.

I suppose i ought to say that i am a very ambitious humanist and spend most of my time writing, reading and going for walks. It sounds strange to most people but i don't enjoy "fun" as most people have it. I am unable to use large amounts of my time for pleasure when it could be spent doing other things. Likewise, things that disrupt my ability to think i don't have time for.

Then I don't see why you need to be so judgmental over normal things other people do. If you like to stay home that is cool, but "normal" people often enjoy having a few drinks and even smoking a joint every now and then.

Since this has turned into a social thing, i feel like dropping my line in again. I'm not the most social guy, i hardly go to parties, but i (very) often go to gatherings where people are drinking. Heck, i'm close friends with a moonshiner, i'm not avoiding alcohol. And this 'buzzkill' thing only applies if your friends are really uptight. I'm invited to more things then i go, not the other way around. Lots of times, its nice to have SOMEONE who is sober around.

Also, this whole 'girls like adventure' thing is a crock, sorry to tell you. Lots of girls might like a social active guy, and maybe those are the girls you like. No problem. But don't go saying that is the only way to find the perfect girl. Being a nice guy goes a lot farther and works in more situation in my opinion.

@Elta. 2 points, sorry i got uptight in that last post. second point, i'm not going to fight you since i'm a confirmed pansie/pacifist,lol

It is cool to have someone who can drive at a moments notice, I know........ my friends are far from uptight . You can tell when someone who doesn't drink feels out of place. At the very least everyone I know has a drink or two an hour. Which is hardly enough to get you any where drunk....... It will get you a decent buzz though. Like I said there is nothing enherently wrong with inviting a non drinker to a party, they just tend to not give off good vibes. If you are a lot of fun at a party, more power to you. I've just never meet a sober person who actually seemed to be enjoying themselves at a party and getting along with everyone.


Secondly, The adventure/danger thing is not a crock. It's genetic. Being Mr. Play it safe all of the time is not sexy. A reasonable female would go for a guy with his stuff together who is going places, but that doesn't mean that they don't like things that are slightly dangerous - like say finding a guy who rides a motorcycle sexy. - Just take my word for it, ask a girl on this forum or one in real life; Is it sexy when a guy always plays by the rules 100% of the time, never take risk. The kind of guy who won't marry you until he is saved up for retirement first? ( Yeah I know the last part is a little extreme, but that is an example of playing it extremely safe. There are degrees to this)
Being a nice guy is fine and all, but girls do not want guys they can walk all over.



Third, I just want to touch base on this one more time. Doing things that are "manly" I.E. somewhat dangerous. Is a form of male bonding, hunting, getting much too drunk, grappling and choking out your friend etc etc Stuff like that.
It's natural as part of humanities "tribal" genetic heritage. We were walking around in groups of absolutely no more than 150 people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number and for the last two million years it was essentially like this for a man when traveling in dangerous territory (could be enemy humans or just dangerous animals)

2.5-1.5 million years. - Carried around rocks the size of a fist which were good for throwing and animals trying to attack you. Some sort of Hand Axe as well for close range attacks.

Around 1.5 million years - fire.

It is hard to say exactly when, but true throwable spears came about around 400,000 years ago.

True language came about around 100,000 years ago and is what really lead to our rise to power ...... but that is besides the point.



The point is for the past 2 million years where the major parts of our *NeoCortex was being developed we were under risk of attack at all times amd had very little other than maybe 40 other full grown men. As such it is normal for a male to want their male friends to be "down" at the very least not afraid to do things that are only slightly dangerous. Because in the end if you get into a situation where you really might actually get hurt by something (the cops, other people, trapped in a avalanche) You know your friends are the only ones who will sue the city to get you out of jail, have your back when someone is trying to kill you, or search for you in a blizzard long after the volunteers have gone home. If your friends don't have your back, they are not really your friends. I am sure everyone agrees with that. Doing dangerous things (no matter how inane and only slightly dangerous it may be.) is a critical and absolutely normal part of socializing. Why do you thing boys get away with things with the "boys will be boys" excuse? On a Genetic level everyone gets that.

Not to mention all of the evolutionary things I listed above apply to what women like in men too. If the guy seems like he is not afraid to take risk they will find the guy more attractive because they will fill safer with the guy.

*(the most dominant part of the brain, the part of our brain that lets us be social)



Lastly, I am not out trying to beat people up or anything like that I just wanted to get the point across when someone said they could drop me that I am always up for a sparring match. I don't get bent out of shape over uptightness or anything else on the internet really. Speak your mind!

 

[Elta]

Alright, is "Bigfoot + X #of drinks" a different person from "sober Bigfoot"? I would think so.

Now this is me anyway, everyone is different, but not by much.

The only thing drinking a few drinks will do is make you is more social, more honey, and more outgoing.

Getting really drunk only amplifies those effects and makes you have less balance, slur your speech and all of the other things being too drunk does. You should not let your self drink that much unless you are somewhere where you won't have to drive and everyone else is getting really drunk too. ...... Playing Flip cup, taking shots with everyone etc etc.

It doesn't "change" you. Everyone becomes more outgoing and social when they drink. That is actually why people drink.

You just can't understand unless you drink. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

You just can't understand unless you drink. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person.

Lord knows I'm livin' in a world of darkness,
But Lord this don't bother me.
And until I find
The sweet little girl of mine,
Oh Lord, I just don't wanna see...

 

[Orange Seeds]

I don't know why i keep dragging myself into this thread:

Then I don't see why you need to be so judgmental over normal things other people do. If you like to stay home that is cool, but "normal" people often enjoy having a few drinks and even smoking a joint every now and then

Because that is what any sensible person will do! I can't go around suspending judgments on those around me. The more we judge each other and engage in conversation on these judgments, the better people we are capable of becoming. One of the most respected Philosophy Profs I've yet had said this was a major detriment to the modern social memes: that we are afraid to judge each other.

Again, and perhaps the reason why i keep replying, you can't frame me as antisocial as you keep doing as a means of degrading my point. I spend very little of my free time at home, and even less of it alone. I also think its a bit superficial to refer to a select group of people as "normal" and then defending an action based on it.

Secondly, The adventure/danger thing is not a crock. It's genetic. Being Mr. Play it safe all of the time is not sexy. A reasonable female would go for a guy with his stuff together who is going places, but that doesn't mean that they don't like things that are slightly dangerous - like say finding a guy who rides a motorcycle sexy. - Just take my word for it, ask a girl on this forum or one in real life; Is it sexy when a guy always plays by the rules 100% of the time, never take risk. The kind of guy who won't marry you until he is saved up for retirement first? ( Yeah I know the last part is a little extreme, but that is an example of playing it extremely safe. There are degrees to this)
Being a nice guy is fine and all, but girls do not want guys they can walk all over.

And being dangerous can be equated with drinking, smoking and the like? This is silly. Being refractory is attractive because it is a demonstration of power. It is the power that is attractive not the recklessness. Nor is being nice equal to being "walked all over." It does not help your argument to keep mislabeling and exaggerating things. Fortunately for me i find the reasonable women the most attractive.

 

[Elta]

I don't know why i keep dragging myself into this thread:



Because that is what any sensible person will do! I can't go around suspending judgments on those around me. The more we judge each other and engage in conversation on these judgments, the better people we are capable of becoming. One of the most respected Philosophy Profs I've yet had said this was a major detriment to the modern social memes: that we are afraid to judge each other.

Again, and perhaps the reason why i keep replying, you can't frame me as antisocial as you keep doing as a means of degrading my point. I spend very little of my free time at home, and even less of it alone. I also think its a bit superficial to refer to a select group of people as "normal" and then defending an action based on it.




And being dangerous can be equated with drinking, smoking and the like? This is silly. Being refractory is attractive because it is a demonstration of power. It is the power that is attractive not the recklessness. Nor is being nice equal to being "walked all over." It does not help your argument to keep mislabeling and exaggerating things. Fortunately for me i find the reasonable women the most attractive.

I didn't lambaste you as antisocial, I said you sound antisocial.

Everything I said holds water antropoligically, though I don't think you understood it.

 

[Mowque]

Everything I said holds water antropoligically, though I don't think you understood it.

After a long talk with my Anthropology professor, and she says most of your arguments are a crock. Not the latest ones, but the part that everything we do is to pass on our genes. Sorry

 

[Elta]

After a long talk with my Anthropology professor, and she says most of your arguments are a crock. Not the latest ones, but the part that everything we do is to pass on our genes. Sorry

Jared Diamond> Your Professor

Not to mention the fact that I highly doubt you were able to effectively communicate something you disagree with and don't understand to begin with.

 

[Mowque]

Jared Diamond> Your Professor

Not to mention the fact that I highly doubt you were able to effectively communicate something you disagree with and don't understand to begin with.

i tried, i quoted!

 

[Elta]

i tried, i quoted!

I am looking for a e book on

"The Third Chimpanzee: The Evolution and Future of the Human Animal"

It will help. I am generally terrible at writing and explaining things......... I usually do 15 + rereads and edits of my papers and let a lot of people look at them.

Gimme a minute, Hopefully I find it. I know google has whole books sometimes.

 

[Elta]

I couldn't find the actual e-book.

But this should help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle

It is essentially why people who do dangerous things and are still perfectly healthy are attractive. It is why girls like guys who ride motorcycles and it is why men tend to dangerous things together. It is a a pissing contest to establish who is "tougher"

In the end it is about communicating to other would be *"alpha males" that you are one. Like a chimp getting pissed and throwing a bunch of leaves around.

Just think of how often old men will recall something they did when they were younger "I scored 4 touchdowns in one game" etc It's all a form of boasting, showing that your genes are good in a manner of speaking.

*Humans like all other primates tend to be more monogamous the closer they are in size to each other. (I.E. the less sexual dismorphia there is the more monogamous they are.)
As such Humans tend to be less monogamous than gibbons and more monogamous than Gorillas. As such there are not "alpha males" per say in human beings even at a tribal level, but there is usually a leader in every group depending on the task at hand.

 

[toda]

Elta, I don't want to go all internet psychologist on you, but your posts suggest you are quite a misogynist.

 

[Shekwan]

Um I think he was explaining the posted theory.

 

[toda]

Everything in life is to impress the opposite sex (or same). Even if you don't notice it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8vZEF4UA0

It has nothing to do with getting any chick. But the chick.

All of the studying and little moves in life you make are about moving up in social status. And it all had to do with women. Women = offspring in the long run.

Everything life is, is about reproducing.

Actually trying to successfully reproduce is the meaning of life.

Here is my triumph card. What is the most mind altering event in a man's life that can happen more than once?

The answer is clear. An orgasm. All the time men are trying to keep their women in check or please them (what ever works for that girl or your style really) why? So they can keep getting laid.

The only moment of true clarity a man ever has in life is when he rolls off of his female after climaxing, because it is the only 30 second segment in life when he is truly unclouded by trying to get laid.


An orgasm is a million times more mood altering than marijuana. Are people who achieve orgasms in their own little section of malfunctioning society?

6. Girls do not like guys who are unwilling to be even a little bit on "the edge".
"He is too nervous to even take a shot of alcohol, he will clearly be a good provider" Girls do not think in absolute terms like that, but on a subconscious instinctual level they do.

2. No chick is in to guys who are willing to take no risk at all.
The jist of my concern is that you are **** blocking yourself. To be perfectly frank. Maybe one day I will see you at a party filled with drunk people and you will be the center of attention. If that happens I'll bump this thread in your honor. I have my doubts though

Um I think he was explaining the posted theory.

As I said I really hate to become an internet psychologist, but most of Elta's posts in this thread basically can be cut down to this, "Woman are simple creatures easily manipulated whose sole purpose exist for male to have sex with and reproduce."

 

[civ_king]

damn dead drug czar

 

[Shekwan]

Yeah toda, maybe. I would say that he's being just as unflattering to men too so I wouldn't agree that he's a misogynist.

 

[toda]

I'd rather I was wrong on this. Either way, I have to concur with what Irish Caesar post 2 pages ago, as long as you don't be that guy, nobody cares. And if your "friends" give you crap for it, get better friends.

 

[Elta]

Um I think he was explaining the posted theory.

As I said I really hate to become an internet psychologist, but most of Elta's posts in this thread basically can be cut down to this, "Woman are simple creatures easily manipulated whose sole purpose exist for male to have sex with and reproduce."

Dude, men are simple creatures easily manipulated whose sole purpose to exist is for women to reproduce. We are animals and reproducing is the name of the game.

Maybe it's just me, but when I am spending time with a beautiful women who is in to me I am far and away the dumbest person in the room. Women can be hypnotizing.

I hear stuff like that from my female friends who are staunch feminist (many of them lesbians), but they all tend to call me and tell me they are "scared" when there car runs a flat in a bad neighborhood. Or when one of them has an ex boyfirend and he waits for them at their car outside of work and they want me to spook his ass.

I don't even get into arguments with them any more, I just help them out because I am an honorable man and a good friend. I am well aware that a vast majority of gender roles are socially constructed, but you can't escape genetics.


I respect women as much as men, If they have the same skills a guy needs then for a job then they should get the job. I would never lay hands on a women (unless I was in mortal danger) etc I just see the world through a antropological prism because that is what I know.

I am not like Annesh, in that one thread where he tries to "figure women out" like a math problem or what ever. I just go with the flow. I use anthropology to figure out the dumb things we (humans) do and why.

 

[Elta]

I'd rather I was wrong on this. Either way, I have to concur with what Irish Caesar post 2 pages ago, as long as you don't be that guy, nobody cares. And if your "friends" give you crap for it, get better friends.

....Everyone cares. It is instinct.


You have an innate will to help the people you love. That is why you give your friend a nudge on the back of the arm and try and get him to go and talk to some girls at a bar or something like that.


We all like our friends for different reasons, but we all like our friends to be brave, virtuous and successful. Like wise it is expected that your friends will help you to be a better person and support you.

That is what friends are for.

 

[CaptainF]

4. Weed to each his own. Most of my friends do not smoke weed, none of the females actually. Alcohol is a critical part of social interaction in modern western society. It is okay if you don't want to drink, but it debilitating to your social life.

That's weird isn't it? Just about everyone I know male and female likes to drink to varying degrees, but I only know a handful of girls who smoke buds, and they usually don't smoke as much as the guys either.

I wonder why this is...maybe weed is called "Mary Jane" for a reason?

 

[toda]

I hear stuff like that from my female friends who are staunch feminist (many of them lesbians), but they all tend to call me and tell me they are "scared" when there car runs a flat in a bad neighborhood. Or when one of them has an ex boyfirend and he waits for them at their car outside of work and they want me to spook his ass.

I don't even get into arguments with them any more, I just help them out because I am an honorable man and a good friend. I am well aware that a vast majority of gender roles are socially constructed, but you can't escape genetics.

You see, what you are describing is a clear example what I was trying to point out, and while it is undeniable that men and women have clear genetics difference, but it is important to note that gender roles are nothing more then mere social constructs which are dictated by the patriarchal culture. You are trying to base these artificial construct on biological difference and your personal anecdotal evidences. As I said, I am not a psychologist, an internet one perhaps, but your, dare I say, sexist view that women are inherently inferior in certain aspects may be related to your past,

...Secondly, I used to be nearly 400 lbs ...... don't get me wrong I had friends, but no female company It blows. I know what it is like to be lonely as hell.
...
I know was convinced alcohol was the root of all evil until I was 14.

now this is what you posted earlier in this thread, and I can't help but notice your previous weight problem denied you from developing any healthy relationship with a female, mind if I ask if this weight problem occurred in your formative adolescent years? Also, as you wrote that you were convinced alcohol was evil until you were 14, can you confirm that you come from a rather strict family background, and have a distant relationship with your parents, specifically your mother?
Of course, if you are uncomfortable posting this, please don't, and as I say I am merely an internet psychologist.

....Everyone cares. It is instinct.

You have an innate will to help the people you love. That is why you give your friend a nudge on the back of the arm and try and get him to go and talk to some girls at a bar or something like that.

We all like our friends for different reasons, but we all like our friends to be brave, virtuous and successful. Like wise it is expected that your friends will help you to be a better person and support you.

That is what friends are for.

Drinking or smoking anything is nothing but a personal choice, as long as said choice doesn't inhibit the person's life in any way, friends should and do respect each other different choice. Partaking in any substance won't make you brave, virtuous nor successful. Now for the record, I do drink, moderately, and I always ensure I have at least a bottle of scotch and a few six-packs of either beer or cider at home. But I won't advocate in this case, BigFoot, to drink since he made a conscious decision not to, and I won't think any less of him nor anyone else that choose differently from me.

Also, my apologies for taking a while to reply, since I was occupied IRL.