Another First World Muslim Joins ISIS
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Ajidica
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No.
Full stop.
For the longest time we (ie: America and Europe) had exceptionally poor relations with Iraq, even when compared to our poor relations at the time with Syria and Egypt. Iraq never really entered the 'American Ally' camp, let alone reached puppet status. After the ousting of the Shah and the Iran-Iraq War we began to open up diplomatic relations with Iraq again to try and contain revolutionary Iran. The astoundingly poor judgment that characterized the 'Reagan Revolution' in foreign policy was on proud display during the Iran-Iraq War where we consistently portrayed Iran as the aggressor in the conflict. What we did offer to Iraq during the war was generally background intel or 'dual use' technology. The absurdity with which the 'dual use' label was applied pre-Gulf War and post-Gulf War reached levels where even Congress took notice and issued a condemnation for exporting technology that could be used to create chemical weapons without proper oversight.
In short, American policy toward Iraq was like all elements of American foreign policy, underwent a rather horrible spasm during the 'Reagan Revolution' that lead us to portray Iraq as an ally but the reality was quite different.
It also changes when we learn to overcome our instincts. Instincts don't change very quickly, they change over the course of geological time. All the major shifts occur when we change our extrapolations from our instincts.
Ziggy Stardust
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You claim that, but you fail to remember the logical explanations which have been handed to you. I'm sure it's not willfull ignorance or selective observation so your own ideas on the subject can remain uchallenged, but rather an honest slip of the mind.
"It feels right" wasn't one of them by the way. That rather is the result.
Borachio
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I'm not sure "doing what feels right" isn't a good moral compass, any way.
The Nazis had to overcome a good deal of repugnance for what they were doing.
I'd like to think that it would have been better if they'd done what felt right instead.
The Nazis had to overcome a good deal of repugnance for what they were doing.
I'd like to think that it would have been better if they'd done what felt right instead.
Formaldehyde
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
You do realize there is a distinct difference between Iraq (the country) and Saddam Hussein (an individual). Right?
You didn't even bother to watch the video. Did you?
Traitorfish
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I'm told that one of the reasons they set up the death-camps is because the members of SS death squads kept committing suicide. Turns out even politic zealots find these kinds of atrocities difficult to stomach when confronted with it so directly and repeatedly.
Ajidica
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Your point?
After the overthrow of the pro-British monarchy in Iraq the Baathists and Arab Nationalists never had great relations with the west. Diplomatic relations between America and Iraq only began to open up during the Iran-Iraq War and collapsed soon after. We decided that Saddam and the ageing Baathists were too much of a wild card and that allying with the Gulf Princes was better for the stability of the region.
Saddam having turned into a bit of a nutjob and invading Kuwait didn't help much either.
Regardless of whether one considers Iraq/Saddam our ally during the Iran-Iraq War, your statement that "Saddam was always our puppet" is patently incorrect.
Why should I bother watching it when your statement describing the video is just not true?
Domen
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Some time ago media reported that two supposedly "Austrian" girls joined ISIS (these two - photos):
However - they are not ethnic Austrian. They are Bosniak Muslim immigrants living in Austria.
I couldn't get why would 2 Austrians join ISIS but I got confused by the media, which fail to report ethnicity.
Spoiler :
However - they are not ethnic Austrian. They are Bosniak Muslim immigrants living in Austria.
I couldn't get why would 2 Austrians join ISIS but I got confused by the media, which fail to report ethnicity.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Certainly not the ones who formulated the policies. We know that from the Nuremberg trial were they felt they had done nothing wrong and that what they did was legal because the laws said so.
Carolus I
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Some time ago media reported that two supposedly "Austrian" girls joined ISIS (these two - photos):
Spoiler :
However - they are not ethnic Austrian. They are Bosniak Muslim immigrants living in Austria.
I couldn't get why would 2 Austrians join ISIS but I got confused by the media, which fail to report ethnicity.
According to this article http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...heir-minds-and-want-to-come-home-9789547.html they want to come home.
Poor girls!
Borachio
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Yet why did the concentration camp commanders attempt to remove evidence of what they'd done? And take steps to evade capture?
Why did Himmler take steps to lessen the burden on those responsible for killing Jews by using poison gas?
I would agree that those present at the Wannsee Conference certainly had lost their moral compass, though.
And Hitler and Goering had got so used to contradicting themselves, and saying whatever (just stuff), that it's hard to think they had any notion of right and wrong at all. Never mind whether they actually thought they were right.
