Another First World Muslim Joins ISIS

[NovaKart]

I can't change my race ....

 

[KevinLancaster]

Sorry if that was a bit stupid. I'm wondering why you didn't make this an RD thread, the subject is pretty serious and arguments get fairly heated around here.

 

[Sanguivorant]

I really liked that comment, it was rather funny. Sorry if the intention was unclear.

And I was not really aware of RD. I thought that was for special threads or something.

 

[NovaKart]

Well now your avatar makes a lot more sense anyway.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I can't change my race and no way in hell am I changing my religion. I could change my name though. Maybe that could help the employability problem.

Since you're Canadian, how about Mario Lemieux?

No one will question your patriotism anymore.

 

[Harv]

Since you're Canadian, how about Mario Lemieux?

No one will question your patriotism anymore.

Brett Hull?

 

[CuddlyBear]

I can't change my race and no way in hell am I changing my religion. I could change my name though. Maybe that could help the employability problem.

Why not? Ditch it. Life is simpler with no religion. Oh right. Your religion says you should be killed for giving up your religion. What kind of a sick god wants that? Such a god is not worthy of worship even if it really existed. In some sick countries they execute or jail people for apostasy. That is absolutely disgusting. I bet the ISIS would like to have something similar in their dream state. *barf*

 

[Sanguivorant]

Why not? Ditch it. Life is simpler with no religion. Oh right. Your religion says you should be killed for giving up your religion. What kind of a sick god wants that? Such a god is not worthy of worship even if it really existed. In some sick countries they execute or jail people for apostasy. That is absolutely disgusting. I bet the ISIS would like to have something similar in their dream state. *barf*

I appreciate your opinion. I know very well that I can change my religion and not fear for my life in this country, so that is not why I stick to Islam.

I could very easily stop practicing the faith, and no one would give a crap. A lot of Muslims are not practicing anyhow.

But that is up to another debate. The issue of apostasy being punishable by death is not even mentioned in the Quran. That rule is based upon what the first Caliph did in response to those who rebelled and declared war against the state. Again let's not approach this topic here.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Brett Hull?

Yeah, Ray Borque.

 

[Sanguivorant]

How about Sid Meier for a name? Hopefully that's not identity fraud.

 

[Traitorfish]

Why not? Ditch it. Life is simpler with no religion. Oh right. Your religion says you should be killed for giving up your religion. What kind of a sick god wants that? Such a god is not worthy of worship even if it really existed. In some sick countries they execute or jail people for apostasy. That is absolutely disgusting. I bet the ISIS would like to have something similar in their dream state. *barf*

Is writing "barf" and then posting a barfing smiley not a wee bit redundant?

 

[Sanguivorant]

Back on topic please.

Anyhow, you'll find that these fighters cause the most damage to the Muslims in the West. Their reputation gets ruined and people get more paranoid.

Unfortunately, what that means is that the Muslim population will be more alienated which would cause this cycle to get worse.

I mean if no one trusts you in the country and you have little chances of getting a job, what's convincing you to stay in that country? Why not join the rest instead? Of course, that is just a speculation.

 

[Masada]

We've been over this: most jurisdictions forbid the stripping of citizenship if it would leave an individual stateless, and as citizenship comes with right-to-abode in all but a very small, peculiar number of cases, it wouldn't be possible to prevent their re-entry into the country. If it was established that they were or had been a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation, they could be imprisoned, but as Kramerfan has pointed out, that is in itself very difficult, and you can't simply throw your citizens in prison because they might be a terrorist.

Isn't it strange that people reared in the West would throw away sacred tenets of the West like rule of law and freedom of conscience at the drop of a hat?

 

[classical_hero]

For those Muslims who go for humanitarian reasons, is there anything that a Muslim can do in a liberal democratic country that will help those living in Syria without having to resort to fighting?

The problem is that is how many of the Australians started out wanting to do, but when they get there they fight instead.

 

[Sanguivorant]

Well yeah. I think some of those guys get really shocked when they realize the danger of the situation. Plenty leave within three months if they haven't died. Some remain and feel that they cannot do anything without a weapon in hand.

 

[Old Hippy]

The problem is that is how many of the Australians started out wanting to do, but when they get there they fight instead.

Julie Bishop (foreign minister) has said several passports have been canceled and that there are about 150 people over there...

She says she has canceled several passports on advice from intelligence agencies.

Leading terrorism experts have warned Australia could face a serious threat as radicalized fighters return from the conflicts raging in Syria and now Iraq.


Ms Bishop says people with experience of fighting for terrorist groups in the Middle East could pose a security risk if they were allowed to return to Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-19/150-australians-fighting-with-extremists-in-iraq-and-syria/5535018

 

[Tahuti]

Why not? Ditch it. Life is simpler with no religion.

You cannot be really non-religious. Many self-proclaimed atheists are humanists and essentially religiously worship humanity, even if they do not label it that way. Objectivism is a false religion, though a religion nonetheless.

Oh right. Your religion says you should be killed for giving up your religion. What kind of a sick god wants that? Such a god is not worthy of worship even if it really existed. In some sick countries they execute or jail people for apostasy. That is absolutely disgusting. I bet the ISIS would like to have something similar in their dream state. *barf*

Only fundamentalists of either side take such commandments literally.

 

[CuddlyBear]

You cannot be really non-religious. Many self-proclaimed atheists are humanists and essentially religiously worship humanity, even if they do not label it that way. Objectivism is a false religion, though a religion nonetheless.

Oh really? What does all this mean? What does it mean to religiously worship humanity?

Only fundamentalists of either side take such commandments literally.

There's bloody many fundamentalist muslim countries in the world then. Idiots killing others cus they dun want to worship these people's god. Religious scum they are.

 

[Tahuti]

Oh really? What does all this mean? What does it mean to religiously worship humanity?

Well, religion usually contains a creed (i.e. a collection of statements what you believe) of something in place of it, and a community surrounding it. Even if you are not part of a religious organisation, you almost certainly end up with a creed, usually something like "life is good" and "I believe in myself" (Randroidism, even if the person has never heard of Randroidism) and find yourself with people of comparable beliefs.

 

[Traitorfish]

Isn't it strange that people reared in the West would throw away sacred tenets of the West like rule of law and freedom of conscience at the drop of a hat?

Positively uncanny.

Well, religion usually contains a creed (i.e. a collection of statements what you believe) of something in place of it, and a community surrounding it.

So when you say "religion", what you really mean is "society?