Answers to the Fermi paradox

There are trillions upon trillions of stars.
So what? Why do you discount the possibility that life is exceedingly rare that trillions upon trillions is insufficient?

It's ridiculous to believe that Earth is the only planet in the entire universe to host intelligent life, and that every other planet can only host simple bacteria if even that.
Well I don't believe that.

I in fact do not believe either way about intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe. The data is simply insufficient.
 
So what? Why do you discount the possibility that life is exceedingly rare that trillions upon trillions is insufficient?

I don't think that possibility should be discounted, but neither should we discount the possibility that life is so rare that it is only found on 2 planets, or 3, or 4, or 5, or ..., or 583,521,899, and so forth.

Not having much data we must assume that each one of those possibilities have an equal probability, reducing the probability that it can only be found on 1 planet as miniscule compared to all the other scenarios combined.

But of course we've had this discussion before already ;)
 
So what? Why do you discount the possibility that life is exceedingly rare that trillions upon trillions is insufficient?

Because we exist. And as ravaged as Earth has been, we evolved. What makes you think a world better off or with a different cell structure, would not host intelligent life?

Of course, it comes down to our opinion.

Well I don't believe that.

I in fact do not believe either way about intelligent life existing elsewhere in the universe. The data is simply insufficient.

Last sentence I just said: It all comes down to our opinion.
So far I've seen a few opinions.

: There is life out there :
: There isn't life out there :
: RELIGION LOLOLOL :
: Insufficient data to decide :


But it's illogical to think of us being the only ones. Just because we haven't found another race nearby, does not mean there isn't one. Our detection capability is low in terms of space. Sure, we can VISUALIZE pretty well now, combining gamma, radio, and x-ray imagery. But actual detection? Hardly. The most we can do is try to detect radio signals and other small time anomalies which in the end can be either disturbance or somebody trying to say hello.
 
Because we exist. And as ravaged as Earth has been, we evolved. What makes you think a world better off or with a different cell structure, would not host intelligent life?

Of course, it comes down to our opinion.



Last sentence I just said: It all comes down to our opinion.
So far I've seen a few opinions.

: There is life out there :
: There isn't life out there :
: RELIGION LOLOLOL :
: Insufficient data to decide :


But it's illogical to think of us being the only ones. Just because we haven't found another race nearby, does not mean there isn't one. Our detection capability is low in terms of space. Sure, we can VISUALIZE pretty well now, combining gamma, radio, and x-ray imagery. But actual detection? Hardly. The most we can do is try to detect radio signals and other small time anomalies which in the end can be either disturbance or somebody trying to say hello.

Prove evolution, now.
 
Doesn't prove a thing.

Yes it does. It is observable Natural Selection. The only strains of these diseases that have survived are those which can resist modern antibiotic treatments. The diseases as they exist have effectively evolved in the way that every other living creature on Earth has evolved from a more vulnerable form.
 
this is why we can't prove evolution to you, because you put your hands over your ears and say goddidit
 
Because we exist.

This really proves nothing. Say intelligent life is so exceedingly that when the missing variables of the Drake equation were filled in, you were left with a number that was around one. That one must therefor be us. So if life were so improbable that it was only us, the universe would look exactly the same as it does right now. Perf is quite right to say we really don't have enough information to guess either way. If we do guess, it's just a gut feeling guess... though....

It's my personal take, that intelligent life has probably existed elsewhere. It's also my take that because of the distances involved, not to mention time, we'll never find evidence that says we're not alone, as far as intelligence goes.

this is why we can't prove evolution to you, because you put your hands over your ears and say goddidit

Which is why you shouldn't debate evolution anymore than you debate gravity. The counter stance is silly unless it's founded in a rejection of the scientific method. If someone wants to reject the scientific method, fine. I'd like to see something produce better results (please lift a plane by prayer!) but fine.

Granted I often can't control myself from responding to YEC nonsense but I'm trying. I just keep telling myself they and I speak a different language, a mutually incomprehensible language.
 
Pretty much.

I'm not even going to bother explaining anything to you. Your lack of maturity and realization of certain aspects of the world makes it as if I'm trying to teach calculus to a five year old. Pointless.

Also, what Cardgame said.

This really proves nothing. Say intelligent life is so exceedingly that when the missing variables of the Drake equation were filled in, you were left with a number that was around one. That one must therefor be us. So if life were so improbable that it was only us, the universe would look exactly the same as it does right now. Perf is quite right to say we really don't have enough information to guess either way. If we do guess, it's just a gut feeling guess... though....

We've all heard the story from scientists, that Sol is unique, that there's only a thin habitable zone which Earth falls under, a zone that had once engulfed Mars as well. They also said, that a planet needs to be under complete pristine chemical properties in order for organic molecules to begin formation in the water or from highly radioactive and explosive debris, ie. asteroid collision.

But here comes the point where I contradict myself, how would we know how ALL life needs to develop? Perhaps in the next solar system over, which we likely won't reach for at least a few decades, there are bacteria that formed from... hm, just for example's sake, methane gas and not oxygen. Maybe their body structure is 100% different than that of ours. Maybe, the development of another creature, is based on the planet/solar system/conditions it's under.

That's where I contradict myself, since there's no way of knowing that there's more intelligent life out there, except for the whole "the universe is incredibly huge, it'd be nonsense to think we're the only ones". But to be frank, I believe there's more evidence pointing towards there being intelligent life than there not being intelligent life.

And the Bible doesn't count for evidence against life.

It's my personal take, that intelligent life has probably existed elsewhere. It's also my take that because of the distances involved, not to mention time, we'll never find evidence that says we're not alone, as far as intelligence goes.

In our lifetime? Probably not, unless a super advanced race came along to say hi and realized we shoot and then ask questions.

To have the complex technology needed to really go from system to system in an acceptable amount of time, will likely take a few more centuries, definitely not in the 21st century.
 
I'm not even going to bother explaining anything to you. Your lack of maturity and realization of certain aspects of the world makes it as if I'm trying to teach calculus to a five year old. Pointless.

Also, what Cardgame said.



We've all heard the story from scientists, that Sol is unique, that there's only a thin habitable zone which Earth falls under, a zone that had once engulfed Mars as well. They also said, that a planet needs to be under complete pristine chemical properties in order for organic molecules to begin formation in the water or from highly radioactive and explosive debris, ie. asteroid collision.

But here comes the point where I contradict myself, how would we know how ALL life needs to develop? Perhaps in the next solar system over, which we likely won't reach for at least a few decades, there are bacteria that formed from... hm, just for example's sake, methane gas and not oxygen. Maybe their body structure is 100% different than that of ours. Maybe, the development of another creature, is based on the planet/solar system/conditions it's under.

That's where I contradict myself, since there's no way of knowing that there's more intelligent life out there, except for the whole "the universe is incredibly huge, it'd be nonsense to think we're the only ones". But to be frank, I believe there's more evidence pointing towards there being intelligent life than there not being intelligent life.

And the Bible doesn't count for evidence against life.



In our lifetime? Probably not, unless a super advanced race came along to say hi and realized we shoot and then ask questions.

To have the complex technology needed to really go from system to system in an acceptable amount of time, will likely take a few more centuries, definitely not in the 21st century.

Well... You can be wrong.

http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=152

This...

The Bible is evidence enough, and, this will sound absurd to you now, but the Bible verifies its own truth. Obviously this alone is insufficient, but consider the many prophecies that have come true, and the proven fact that Christ is no longer in his tomb (And you think four people made up his existance, plus probably other accounts that are not scripture.) Luke and Mark weren't even among the original disciples! How did they know? Divine revelation.

You can believe what you want, you can be wrong. Other values I may budge on and say "Well, you believe what you want to believe," but here I cannot because this is undeniable truth. Of course, I can't make you believe, but I say this

II Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water

It's your choice to be ignorant if you want to.
 
Domination, the only evidence you're trying to give me are religious websites.

The Bible was created by prophets in darkness, not by God's will or anything like that. Jesus died just like any other person that broke Roman law. He was made an example of, just like all the other people around him on those crosses.

I'm sure if Jesus died on a chair, people would be putting chairs on their wall.
 

Don't try high level mathematics to prove your point. Where did the "Bang!" Come from then.

It's your right to believe in it, but don't even try proving it, it cannot be proven, it is a religion.

Domination, the only evidence you're trying to give me are religious websites.

The Bible was created by prophets in darkness, not by God's will or anything like that. Jesus died just like any other person that broke Roman law. He was made an example of, just like all the other people around him on those crosses.

I'm sure if Jesus died on a chair, people would be putting chairs on their wall.

:crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye:

Jesus didn't actually break Roman law first of all. Pilate said he was innocent, but he gave into mob rule.

And, Jesus didn't die on a chair so just give it up.
 
I didn't mention the Big Bang.

That website clearly contains an error in the last paragraph, namely that logic is consistent, when it has been proven to not be the case.

EDIT: And I am a mathematician so why not mention higher mathematics?
 
Based on current information, there may be millions of intelligent species in the universe, or there may be zero ;)

Who says we're an "intelligent" species anyway. In my experience the human race is rather stupid :p
 
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