Anti-Nazis riot in Ohio

[Jorge]

Hmm, I beg to disagree. What you describe is how nazism turnt out to be in Germany in the 30s/40s. Take a look into Franco's Spain, and conclude you are wrong. Not that Franco was a a nice guy, but thtat's not my point.


Anyway:
Whenever there's a march of right-wing extremists, chances are high counter-demonstrations get out of hand, due to the presence of left-wing extremists, who are usually not much better.

I think you are confusing nazism with fascism. Franco was not a nazi.

 

[Homie]

Her Bush goes to war in the name of the USA. Are you making the connection that if a criminal happens to be a Christian, that makes him a Christian fundamentalist? If a muslim murders, that doesn't make him a muslim fundamentalist, but if he murders because he believes that God wishes it, so that the world will be cleansed of infidels, that makes him a violent muslim fundamentalist. There is a clear distinction that you seem to have avoided so that your point would remain valid. In the words of Homer "How convenient".

You should check out the thread "How do people form opinions, and why are they so hard to break?", I believe you have some anti-processes at work on this one.

 

[IglooDame]

I doubt it was entirely black people, and I doubt that all of the protesters joined in the rioting. The article was extremely one-sided, going so far as to imply that all of the protesters were gang members. Since when are anti-Nazi protests dominated by gang members?

Edit: And I think it's worth pointing out that the Nazis had it set up to 'win' in their own minds no matter what any black protesters did. If they'd been peaceful, they'd have been ridiculed as cowardly sheep. Since they rioted, they'll be ridiculed as childish criminals. There's no way of *not* playing into the hands of people like that, who will interpret anything you do in the worst possible light.

That's true, they can dupe themselves however they wish. But in the mind of the public (which by and large sees 'lack of rioting = civilized') the Nazis did win this round.

 

[silver 2039]

Her Bush goes to war in the name of the USA. Are you making the connection that if a criminal happens to be a Christian, that makes him a Christian fundamentalist? If a muslim murders, that doesn't make him a muslim fundamentalist, but if he murders because he believes that God wishes it, so that the world will be cleansed of infidels, that makes him a violent muslim fundamentalist. There is a clear distinction that you seem to have avoided so that your point would remain valid. In the words of Homer "How convenient".

You should check out the thread "How do people form opinions, and why are they so hard to break?", I believe you have some anti-processes at work on this one.

I seem to recall a thread around here where he said 'god" told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kindly point out where I have said anything like that or even implied it in my post? Methinks you're trying to put words in my mouth.
Anyway as I said all fundamentalists of any kind scare me regardless of what type they are.

 

[Homie]

I seem to recall a thread around here where he said 'god" told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you would have followed up on that thread you would have noticed that it was not true.

Kindly point out where I have said anything like that or even implied it in my post? Methinks you're trying to put words in my mouth.

I'm sorry if I did, it certainly seemed to me you were thinking that way. You see, often when people quote "Christian terrorist attacks" it is just a criminal act commited by a person who happens to be Christian, such people obviously have no idea what they are talking about and are confusing the meaning of words.

Blackheart, you mentioned "Those who are killed by Christian fundamentalists", would you care to mention any in modern times or are you just spouting hateful crap? I would argue that your claim is just as silly as me saying "I am so afriad of those murderous fundamentalist buddhists". Of course I would never say that, because it ain't true!

 

[Perfection]

After this behavior, one has to wonder whether if the Nazis have a point.

Yakking in German while wearing snazzy uniforms

Why were it almost entirely black people who protested against the nazis?

I mean it's not like white people shouldn't have a problem with nazis, is it?

In the US, Nazis target blacks.

Well, where were the peaceful protesters then?

There aren't too many. Few people involved in nonviolent organistations care enough. In the US, Nazis are little more than an annoying spectacle.

supporting nazis because of free speech is like supporting N.A.M.B.L.A for free speech; utter stupidity.

Who says anything about supporting them? There's a big difference between supporting someone and allowing someone to speak.

 

[Azadre]

Had the Romans had free speech, Christianity would never have exploded like it did in Roman territories.

 

[Homie]

We cannot know that. It is pure speculation. Sub-Saharan Africa is an example of Christianty becoming big even though they were not persecuted. ALthough I admit that most of Christianity's growth have been under persecution.

 

[silver 2039]

We cannot know that. It is pure speculation. Sub-Saharan Africa is an example of Christianty becoming big even though they were not persecuted. ALthough I admit that most of Christianity's growth have been under persecution.

In Sub-Sahhara Christanity was spread by the sword.

 

[Homie]

You misunderstand me Silver. Azadre said this:

Had the Romans had free speech, Christianity would never have exploded like it did in Roman territories.

I suspect to show that Christians should be happy when we are persecuted. This is of course silly, but I did not comment on that, instead I responded by showing that in some places (sub-Saharan Africa) Christianity was spread without being persecuted, in fact, some (like you Silver) would claim we were the persecutors.

Btw, Christians did not attack Africa to spread the faith. Rather, European Christian nations attacked for other reasons, naturally Christendom followed. Did they threaten natives to convert? I don't know, and I suspect you don't know either, but of course you would claim it - but it is probably more wishful thinking than actual research which is the basis for your opinion.

 

[Marla_Singer]

How can anyone enjoy a world where threads such as this one exist...

 

[IglooDame]

How can anyone enjoy a world where threads such as this one exist...

Don't know, I just do.

 

[silver 2039]

You misunderstand me Silver. Azadre said this:

I suspect to show that Christians should be happy when we are persecuted. This is of course silly, but I did not comment on that, instead I responded by showing that in some places (sub-Saharan Africa) Christianity was spread without being persecuted, in fact, some (like you Silver) would claim we were the persecutors.

Btw, Christians did not attack Africa to spread the faith. Rather, European Christian nations attacked for other reasons, naturally Christendom followed. Did they threaten natives to convert? I don't know, and I suspect you don't know either, but of course you would claim it - but it is probably more wishful thinking than actual research which is the basis for your opinion.

If you like I can give you numerous examples of where Africans, Indians, Native Americans etc...were forcibly converted even up to this day and age.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Don't know, I just do.

Yeah. Hatred is such a fun.

I'm amazed about how hateful some posters can be.

 

[Homie]

Yeah. Hatred is such a fun.

I'm amazed about how much hateful some posters can be.

Yep, ditto. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

 

[IglooDame]

Yeah. Hatred is such a fun.

I'm amazed about how much hateful some posters can be.

They certainly can. However, short of hunting them down and killing them (which is more likely to make the world a lot less enjoyable for me when I get caught, tried, and convicted for murder) I don't see what can be done aside from rhetorically opposing them. I'm certainly not going to let them affect my enjoyment of life.

 

[Rhymes]

Blackheart, Will and Rhymes, are you serious? If we were to put you under a lie detector test I think we would find you are NOT being truthful now.
Rhymes, you are afraid of Christian Fundamentalists TODAY because of the Crusades almost a 1000 years ago? Do you believe in ghosts now? Or are you arfraid of the the people in Northern Ireland, that they will fly over the Atlantic and hurt you? Furthermore, that conflict is not a holy war, it is a land dispute between English and Irish, who happen to be protestant and catholic, respectively.

You asked me who are the people afraid of christian extremists. I'm not, I'm listing you the people who are.

Personaly, the christian exremist are more of a nuisance then muslim extremist in my life. But I,m not afraid of any of them.

 

[Homie]

Several on this thread said they were, and Silver grouped Christian fundies with muslim fundies as a threat, but I have yet to see a single shred of evidence or reason to support these ideas.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Though many despise their ideals, they have a right to have their marches too. We let the hippies, the religious, and the equal right people do it. So in fairness we must let them do it as well.

Free speech applies whether you like it or not.

 

[Renata]

That's true, they can dupe themselves however they wish. But in the mind of the public (which by and large sees 'lack of rioting = civilized') the Nazis did win this round.

No question. There just seemed to be some sense going around that the rioting had somehow empowered or emboldened or justified the Nazis, and I wanted to piont out that it had done no such thing.