Antifa the Terrorist Organization

[Lexicus]

Don't be silly. There are lots of things/people/animals/tsunamis that have killed people, but which are and never will be any sort of danger to society as a whole. Surely you're not denying this?

That isn't the point, the point is that you're identifying a group of people whose only unifying principle is opposition to fascism as a danger to society.

 

[brennan]

People who are oppose freedom of speech and perform political violence are a danger to society.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That isn't the point, the point is that you're identifying a group of people whose only unifying principle is opposition to fascism as a danger to society.

Surely you can see how that can be a pretty big danger to society when "opposition" is in the form of "blow up/attack/kill" and "fascism" is in the form of "the rest of society".

 

[Lexicus]

Surely you can see how that can be a pretty big danger to society when "opposition" is in the form of "blow up/attack/kill" and "fascism" is in the form of "the rest of society".

Except of course that antifa haven't blown up or killed anyone and you know it, and such violence as they do use is very clearly not indiscriminately directed at "the rest fo society" and you also know that.

People who are oppose freedom of speech and perform political violence are a danger to society.

Yes, so it's a good thing we have antifa to protect us from them.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Imagine being so cut off from reality that you think antifa is more dangerous than neo nazis or serial killers.

It might be because both of those groups tend to go after women and PoC.

Not too surprised though.

 

[Senethro]

There is a certain kind of magical thinking I think being displayed here that believes that fascists are not a threat, because WW2 was won by the Allies. Therefore, all fascism is magically defeated for ever. Furthermore, any authoritarian state violence performed by one of the Allied nations must a priori not be fascism or racist because they fought those things in WW2.

They think neo-nazis are not a threat because they are doomed to failure. Rather, WW2 should demonstrate that fascism is most definitely a threat and a most capable one.

And so, because antifa has not been symbolically defeated in a big war, it is more likely in their minds that antifa will mutate and metastasize into an all threatening terrorist group than neo-nazis will hurt a fly.

So you have these ridiculous people who are more afraid of what antifa might do than what history has shown nazis will most certainly do.

 

[Senethro]

(I mean, blah blah blah, violence this, violence that, why won't some people show a little concern for how states putting people in concentration camps is violence that is real and happening now)

 

[brennan]

As I understand it comparing immigration detention camps to nazi death camps is anti-semitism.

So now we're on: people who are anti-semitic, oppose freedom of speech and espouse political violence are a danger to society.

 

[BvBPL]

“They put a mask on to speak their minds,
They need a veil to hide behind,
The mob is howling like wolves trapped in a cage,
This will go down in history,
As the age of outrage.”


The Interrupters, “Outrage”

 

[Broken_Erika]

The only thing worse than fascism is opposing fascism!

 

[Lexicus]

As I understand it comparing immigration detention camps to nazi death camps is anti-semitism.

My, my, what a cavalcade of self-hating Jews!

But others have come to Ocasio-Cortez’s defense.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., seemed to defend Ocasio-Cortez. In a tweet, he said that one of the lessons of the Holocaust is “Never again.” “We fail to learn that lesson when we don’t call out such inhumanity right in front of us,” he wrote, linking to his fellow New York Democrat’s tweet.

Bend the Arc: Jewish Action in its defense said “The real question is not what we call these mass detention sites growing all over the country, the question is what is every government official and citizen doing to stop this evil?” said the liberal group’s CEO, Stosh Cotler.

Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, also did not seem to mind the comparison. “Call it a concentration camp or call it something else. What’s happening on our southern border is moral stain on the U.S.,” he wrote on Twitter.

Actress and activist Rosanna Arquette supported Ocasio-Cortez’s analogy and went on to say that “[a]ny Jewish person who can turn their back on this evil and does nothing to stop it, should be ashamed of themselves.”

In an article in The Washington Post, Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg hit back at some of Ocasio-Cortez’ critics. “Looking at Holocaust history — thoughtfully, carefully — can help us to see the parallels between then and now,” she wrote.

Meanwhile, Jewish historian Anna Lind-Guzik wrote on Vox that the comparison “is not just appropriate, it’s necessary.”

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Except of course that antifa haven't blown up or killed anyone and you know it, and such violence as they do use is very clearly not indiscriminately directed at "the rest fo society" and you also know that.

The first part is true, but they have tried and there is open support for that kind of thing even on this, a gaming forum. The second... I'm not so sure. How many times has Cloud (for example) used the phrase "supporting the status quo" as if it's functionally equivalent to "pushing people into gas chambers"? How many times have you personally talked gleefully about the fantasy of exterminating half the population of your country? Don't pretend now that you're only talking about a tiny group of society when you say "fascists". You think fascists are everywhere.

Imagine being so cut off from reality that you think antifa is more dangerous than neo nazis or serial killers.

Serial killers are clearly not a danger to society at large. And never will be. That actually is reality.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Genuinely speechless here.

Is it a lack of empathy on your part or something else? Leaning towards the latter...

 

[Manfred Belheim]

What are you speechless about? I can only presume you're not meaning the same thing as me. Obviously serial killers are dangerous to the individual people that they kill, but serial killers as a group are not a danger to society. As far as I can see this is just an objective fact. I don't know what you're being so melodramatic about.

And of course you're "leaning towards the latter". You know, because you argue in good faith don't you. Nothing says "good faith" better than sly innuendos and implications about the hidden motivations of the person you disagree with.

 

[Lexicus]

The second... I'm not so sure. How many times has Cloud (for example) used the phrase "supporting the status quo" as if it's functionally equivalent to "pushing people into gas chambers"? How many times have you personally talked gleefully about the fantasy of exterminating half the population of your country? Don't pretend now that you're only talking about a tiny group of society when you say "fascists". You think fascists are everywhere.

What me and Cloud post about on this forum has nothing to do with what antifa does. Using our posts as evidence that antifa's violence is indiscriminate is dumb.

You know, because you argue in good faith don't you. Nothing says "good faith" better than sly innuendos and implications about the hidden motivations of the person you disagree with.

Well, after you stated straight out that you believe antifa is more dangerous than Nazis there isn't really anything "hidden" about your motivations.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

What me and Cloud post about on this forum has nothing to do with what antifa does. Using our posts as evidence that antifa's violence is indiscriminate is dumb.

Not really. You're the first people who always leap to their defence, and you both see fascists/nazis permeating the whole of society, and openly and gleefully expound the virtues of murdering thousands/millions of people. Somehow I don't see the ranks of actual antifa cells being composed of people less extreme than that.

Well, after you stated straight out that you believe antifa is more dangerous than Nazis there isn't really anything "hidden" about your motivations.

Sure. Makes total sense. I make a statement about which of two groups of horrible people I consider to be the more dangerous, and because it doesn't tally with your answer then that means I must actually belong to the other group. Totally logical. Great example of good faith argumentation that I hope we can all learn from.

 

[Senethro]

And of course you're "leaning towards the latter". You know, because you argue in good faith don't you. Nothing says "good faith" better than sly innuendos and implications about the hidden motivations of the person you disagree with.

Then state your own position authoritatively. For years you've been turning up to only a single kind of thread and holding the apparent position of "I disagree with whatever THAT lot say". I mean, once you proudly claimed the label of anti-feminist but you sort of seem to have backed off from that? And another time you put on a Confederate flag avatar but only because you were an edgelord, not a racist.

Why not try saying why Trump's concentration/detention camps are bad. What of your personal values do they infringe?

 

[Lexicus]

Not really. You're the first people who always leap to their defence, and you both see fascists/nazis permeating the whole of society, and openly and gleefully expound the virtues of murdering thousands/millions of people. Somehow I don't see the ranks of actual antifa cells being composed of people less extreme than that.

Yeah..... so ......let me know when antifa murders one person.

Sure. Makes total sense. I make a statement about which of two groups of horrible people I consider to be the more dangerous, and because it doesn't tally with your answer then that means I must actually belong to the other group. Totally logical. Great example of good faith argumentation that I hope we can all learn from.

I just said your motivations are obvious, not that you are a member of any group. If you want to know, I don't think you're ideologically a fascist or nazi at all. I think you harbor racist and sexist views which you haven't bothered to look critically at, but most everyone does so that isn't a big deal except insofar as you've dug in your heels and doubled down when other people have pointed this out to you. No, my verdict is really pretty simple: you are so obsessed by semantics and abstract logic that you are incapable of offering meaningful resistance (even token verbal resistance) to fascism.

 

[Estebonrober]

We do. Every known neonazi and fascist group in the US is currently on the list of domestic terror organizations.

And it took me literally 2 minutes of Google searching to find that out so that tells me you aren't actually looking this info up yourself and are just going by what your chosen leftist media outlet is telling you on the matter.

Could I get a link please? I can’t find a list of domestic terrorism groups at all listed by the FBI. So your two minute search is better than mine.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

If you don't like being accused of having ulterior motives Manfred perhaps you shouldn't make it as obvious as you have.

Antifa more dangerous than Neo-Nazis? Give me a break, absolutely delusional.