Unlikely indeed.Peaceful protests alone are unlikely to get the concentration camps closed.
So you're saying there is need for violence?
And that violence does not qualify as terrorism because...?
Unlikely indeed.Peaceful protests alone are unlikely to get the concentration camps closed.
If antifa are a crypto-authoritarian group looking to secure political power then who is their political wing? Who is their leader they are trying to bring to power?
Unlikely indeed.
So you're saying there is need for violence?
And that violence does not qualify as terrorism because...?
I'm guessing because there's no international definition for terrorism, and this forum is not solely made up of people from America.Unlikely indeed.
So you're saying there is need for violence?
And that violence does not qualify as terrorism because...?
I don't know? But, if indeed some leftist folks in US have reached the point where they feel that their best/only way ahead is to use violence such as bombings to pressure the government to change tack, then they might as well call it for what it is.Whats your better alternative?
(But let me be clear that imo violence as the very first resort is always a huge warning sign)
More precisely, there are several.I'm guessing because there's no international definition for terrorism
But antifa isn't an organization. I am not even sure they are a "group". They weren't even a thing until recently. I didn't they existed until a couple years ago, did you?Organizations can be authoritarian scum without being fascists. We've seen plenty of examples, Antifa is a well-known one among many.
They hate Fascists and are a danger to fascistic society! The Horror! THE HORROR!Yes, they are a terror/hate group. Good luck getting the "politically unmotivated" Southern Poverty Law Center to recognize them as such.
If they declare Antifa a terrorist organization then they should also declare Football/Soccer Hooligans a Terrorist Organization!
They hate Fascists and are a danger to fascistic society! The Horror! THE HORROR!
Another random assertion levelled at random people. Do we have any particulars, any at all?The problem is that they attack/bully/harass people & property that have nothing to do with fascism using anti-fascism as a pretense.
Another random assertion levelled at random people. Do we have any particulars, any at all?
The problem is that they attack/bully/harass people & property that have nothing to do with fascism using anti-fascism as a pretense.
Citations pleaseYes, we do. But since Antifa has a bit of the "anonymous" issue per your earlier point (different people mean different things when they say it/claim it) I don't know what you'd be willing to count. But we do have specific examples of people self-claiming to be "Antifa" doing these things.
On the subject of concentration camps: even the most liberal of countries have facilities where persons who have applied for asylum are being detained while their application is being reviewed. Whether or not they can be called concentration camps depends on their size and living conditions, I guess... but they exist. Simply closing them down does not seem like a particularly well thought out solution.
It has never been common practice in the US to detain everyone undergoing asylum proceedings
Instead of worrying about what you think I'll consider valid or not, maybe just provide some examples! Debate or no debate, can't debate them without themYes, we do. But since Antifa has a bit of the "anonymous" issue per your earlier point (different people mean different things when they say it/claim it) I don't know what you'd be willing to count. But we do have specific examples of people self-claiming to be "Antifa" doing these things.
Missed this, sorry. Doesn't actually include a definition that I could get through either skimming or by searching by word (literally, "terrorism". Several matches, linked to no definition, simply used as a noun in its own right).More precisely, there are several.
See this, for instance:
http://treaties.un.org/doc/db/Terrorism/english-18-11.pdf
I have a strange feeling of déjà-vu. They must have changed something...
Yes, they are a terror/hate group. Good luck getting the "politically unmotivated" Southern Poverty Law Center to recognize them as such.
@Broken_Erika Soccer Hooligans are worse then terrorists - their rampaging does not even serve any purpose.
On the subject of concentration camps: even the most liberal of countries have facilities where persons who have applied for asylum are being detained while their application is being reviewed. Whether or not they can be called concentration camps depends on their size and living conditions, I guess... but they exist. Simply closing them down does not seem like a particularly well thought out solution.
Which is how so many people end up in literal cages for months pooping on themselves. The facilities now being run like concentration camps were built up under Obama with great fanfare for the purpose of very short-duration stays while people were processed and then sent on buses to join their families and friends in the US. Despite all the cries of tyranny and ignoring conservatives, Obama acted on the push from the population and the GOP for tougher borders by trying to build up the facilities to handle migrants within the rule of law to speed up the process and make the border harder to penetrate and asylum harder to obtain. What changed and made the system begin to collapse was new guidelines from Trump which do not allow anyone to be released - the intent being to be so cruel as to discourage migration in the first place which has warped into a repeat of our WWII and wild west-era internment tactics.
Another major issue which started under Obama is that the CBP is advertised to job-seekers as a Seal Team Six sort of job for people who wanted to catch terrorists and drug smugglers while at the same time it was dramatically expanded (by like 50% in a few years or something similarly crazy). While the CBP does stop terrorists and drug runners, most of the job is taking care of desperate people who are looking for CBP to surrender to in order to claim asylum. The job needs humanitarian-minded people but wound up with a bunch of Rambo wannabes that quickly burned out but not until after taking out their pent up aggression on very desperate, ragged refugees. CBP essentially self-radicalized - all of the problems pointed out about police forces in this country are taken to an extreme in the CBP and ICE due mainly to the types of people it has recruited who bring a lot of aggression, racism and mental baggage with them to a job where they're given a badge, a gun and a lot of autonomy and authority. Meanwhile, in response to the inhumane conditions that migrants are being put through, more people have rushed the border in hopes of crossing before things get even worse which is completely counter-intuitive.
Unsurprisingly, CBP has lost around 2,000 employees (about a dozen a week) even as Trump campaigned on hiring 5,000 more officers. The whole system was rotting before Trump took over but now that depravity has become the point of the exercise, the rot has consumed the entire crop.
NPR had a great segment on the recent history of BCP if anyone is interested.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/18/7430...ption-dysfunction-at-border-protection-agency
If you don't like being accused of having ulterior motives Manfred perhaps you shouldn't make it as obvious as you have.
They're not a danger after they're caught. But before they're caught, they're a considerable danger to society.