Anyone else offended?

[Patroklos]

registering voters is a non partisan act. try harder.

It is when you look at who Obama was doing it for and why. What, do you think he was being altruistic?

The community organizer thing is a red herring about experience. No one is touting that as executive experience, only that Obama is in touch with the little people and is in touch with them as a candidate and a person.

False, many people are. In fact, they think it is better experiance than being the head of a democratically elected government with actual responsibility.

He has worked with all types and groups of people in that role and it's provided keen insight.

He as worked with like minded urban people from Chicago. Which means he has keen insight with like minded urban people from Chicago.

On the flip side explain to me how being a mayor of a town of 8500 gives any insight to running the national government (or how her mayoral experience is indicative of good executive management?)

Oh, how about:

1.) Being elected.
2.) Being responsible and accountable for public funds.
3.) Running government offices.
4.) Being in charge of operational assets like police and fire departments.
5.) Actually running anything period, which Obama (or Biden's) background does not include.

We can do this dance all day long but the thing that is most relevant is the highest level of experience and Obama simply has more, not only being a Senator at the state and Federal level, but in being part of the process and understanding it's nuances.

Governor > US Senator as presidential history shows. Mayor > than state Senator fact shows.

If you really think that Palin has more relevant experience to Washington and the Federal Government then there’s no use in talking to you. End of discussion.

Its funny you mention governance, as Obama has no experience at that. There is absolutely no facet of government service where the McCain/Palin ticket does not utterly outpace the Obama/Biden ticket (which is backwards as far as experience is concerned anyway).

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

It's telling IMHO that people are comparing points from fairly low down Obama's resume (community organizer) to a point that is, due to lack of other points, pretty high up Palin's resume (Mayorship of a 8,000 population Alaskan town).

 

[mrt144]

So is Palin more qualified than McCain? I mean, whens the last time McCain led anything being a state and then federal senator? Biden has more experience than McCain in that regard and you said Palin has more experience leading government operations than Biden.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think Palin was still failing to get an ESPN gig when Obama was a community organizer.

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

Yeah, it's not like he has actually done anything, right?

This was meant to be a direct response to mrt's post but Jolly Roger RUINED IT!!

 

[T.A JONES]

Sounds like he was popin more oxycontin. I think Rush got him hooked. All the Repulicans love their refined dope.
Mc Cains own wife only volenteered as a nurse/helper to get her hand in the opium jar. Like W and his blow, what a bunch of junkies,

 

[Patroklos]

It's telling IMHO that people are comparing points from fairly low down Obama's resume (community organizer) to a point that is, due to lack of other points, pretty high up Palin's resume (Mayorship of a 8,000 population Alaskan town).

There are two things to compare for each, community organizer is irrelevant.

Obama: State Senate, US Senate.
Palin: City Mayor, Govenor.

So is Palin more qualified than McCain? I mean, whens the last time McCain led anything being a state and then federal senator?

You realize that commander of operational US military forces as on O6 is federal executive experience, right? However, realizing that you will erroneously discount that for not knowing any better, I was one of the first to point out that Palin has more executive experiance than the other three. The McCain/Palin ticket wins again.

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

Frankly, I consider Obama's experience in the Illinois Senate as being more useful. Mayorship of a podunk Alaskan town honestly doesn't strike me as the kind of experience appropriate for a VP.

 

[JollyRoger]

There are two things to compare for each, community organizer is irrelevant.

Obama: State Senate, US Senate.
Palin: City Mayor, Govenor.

At the local level, you have big city community organizer vs. small town mayor

At the state level, you a multiple terms in the legislature vs. a little under 2 years as governor

At the federal level, you have a one term Senator vs. service on a Ted Stevens 527

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

Also, calling Wasilla a 'city' is a joke.

 

[mrt144]

You realize that commander of operational US military forces as on O6 is federal executive experience, right? However, realizing that you will erroneously discount that for not knowing any better, I was one of the first to point out that Palin has more executive experiance than the other three. The McCain/Palin ticket wins again.

So why isn't Palin running for President? Why is McCain more qualified to lead the ticket? By your metric he isn't.

 

[JollyRoger]

So why isn't Palin running for President? Why is McCain more qualified to lead the ticket? By your metric he isn't.

Really. McCain could learn a lot by being Palin's understudy for 4 years. He would begin to maybe not be so quick to put her on his pork list in the future.

 

[Patroklos]

Frankly, I consider Obama's experience in the Illinois Senate as being more useful. Mayorship of a podunk Alaskan town honestly doesn't strike me as the kind of experience appropriate for a VP.

What experience does a state senate provide? Again, being an executive is about running things and being accountable. Neither Obama or Biden have ever been in that situation. Bieng a mayor/govenor/military commander is EXACTLY the practical experiance an executive like VP or POTUS needs, which shouldn't surprise anyone seeing as those are executive positions.

 

[Patroklos]

So why isn't Palin running for President? Why is McCain more qualified to lead the ticket? By your metric he isn't.

Nickles are more valualbe than pennies, but 20 pennies are more valuable than two nickles.

Thats a good question though, because by any measure the Obama/Biden ticket is just installing Biden as regent.

 

[mrt144]

Obama was apparently accountable and responsible enough that the entire state of Illinois pushed him into the Senate. Any politician is accountable to their constituents and the fact of election and re-election is a testament to that. The people of Illinois liked what they saw in Obama.

 

[Patroklos]

Obama was apparently accountable and responsible enough that the entire state of Illinois pushed him into the Senate.

Senators are not accountable (or responsible really) for anything. They don't run any portion of the government.

Any politician is accountable to their constituents and the fact of election and re-election is a testament to that. The people of Illinois liked what they saw in Obama.

Is your government theory really this weak? In all of Obama's government career, what action by the government could Obama be legally and procedurally accountable for. It is the very nature of the difference between executive and legislative.

 

[mrt144]

Senators are not accountable (or responsible really) for anything. They don't run any portion of the government.



Is your government theory really this weak? In all of Obama's government career, what action by the government could Obama be legally and procedurally accountable for. It is the very nature of the difference between executive and legislative.

Whose accountable and responsible for bringing pork back to the state? Members of the Congress. Who runs re-elections based on what they've done for their constituents at the Federal level? Members of Congress.

Is your reality of how accountability and government so weak that you can't admit that what members of Congress do in Washington is important to their re-elective ability? Or should I point out people like Ted Stevens and Tom Delay?

 

[Speedo]

Is this really the face of the Republican Party? Is it truly acceptable to mock and condemn someone because they helped the poor instead of getting a high paying job at some law firm?

"... Republicans obviously love America, they just hate half of the people in it." - Jon Stewart

 

[Patroklos]

Whose accountable and responsible for bringing pork back to the state? Members of the Congress.

You obviously have no idea what accountability means.

Who runs re-elections based on what they've done for their constituents at the Federal level? Members of Congress.

Elections are run by the candidates? Campaigns are not government business.

Is your reality of how accountability and government so weak that you can't admit that what members of Congress do in Washington is important to their re-elective ability? Or should I point out people like Ted Stevens and Tom Delay?

Wow, I mean wow. Were you not required to take government in highschool/college?

 

[Darth_Pugwash]

What experience does a state senate provide? Again, being an executive is about running things and being accountable. Neither Obama or Biden have ever been in that situation. Bieng a mayor/govenor/military commander is EXACTLY the practical experiance an executive like VP or POTUS needs, which shouldn't surprise anyone seeing as those are executive positions.

The view that ANY executive experience AT ALL is preferable to time spent in a state Senate strikes me a little odd. But I guess you have to play the cards you're given.

And if we are going to refer to her time as Mayor of Wasilla as serious experience, then perhaps it's also worth mentioning the $20 million dollar debt she landed the town in with her 'fiscally conservative' approach to governance, despite securing quite some $$$ in earmarked federal funds. I'd hate to see that damage she'd do if was actually trying to spend money.