AOC and Republican misogynistic values

[amadeus]

Fuddle duddle.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Sure

https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/aoc-accosted-by-rep-ted-yoho-on-the-steps-of-the-capitol.html

So according to that link he apologised. He denied saying THE B WORD, so wouldn't apologise for that, but he apologised for it being heard that way anyway. Other than admitting to guilt to something he denies doing, which surely you can't insist he is obliged to do, he couldn't really have done more than that. A wise man once said:

"I feel like the default should be to accept apologies until proven otherwise."​

So what's the big deal?

 

[Senethro]

The mask covering up the contempt slips and those invested in the mask scrabble to put it back on.

 

[Estebonrober]

So according to that link he apologised. He denied saying THE B WORD, so wouldn't apologise for that, but he apologised for it being heard that way anyway. Other than admitting to guilt to something he denies doing, which surely you can't insist he is obliged to do, he couldn't really have done more than that. A wise man once said:

"I feel like the default should be to accept apologies until proven otherwise."​

So what's the big deal?

well when the apology includes a lie to diminish the worst part of the offense that is not a sincere apology. There were witnesses.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

well when the apology includes a lie to diminish the worst part of the offense that is not a sincere apology. There were witnesses.

Well the story you linked says no more than "the exchange was overheard by a reporter", but he says there were only 2 reporters 25 or 30ft away and he had his back to them. Doesn't give a name or even a quote from the reporter. Is that info out there?

 

[Estebonrober]

Well the story you linked says no more than "the exchange was overheard by a reporter", but he says there were only 2 reporters 25 or 30ft away and he had his back to them. Doesn't give a name or even a quote from the reporter. Is that info out there?

25 and 30 feet and he is yelling while putting his finger in her face. I mean idk what you want here. He’s a dick. He’s GOP. He’s clearly misogynistic. He is a liar in my book too, but I get the need for you to stick your fingers in your ears and sing “La la la”

 

[Lexicus]

Just recording this one for posterity:

You've never had a real job where you were responsible for making decisions that would seriously impact other people have you?

Big words from someone who comes across as a sexually-frustrated sixteen-year-old

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Just Manfred playing defense for the right wing, as usual but he's totally not a stooge for the right

 

[Hygro]

Maybe at some sissy liberal institution with all the thin-skinned pearl clutchers, but even then I doubt it.

LOL it would be instant termination anywhere.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I mean idk what you want here.

Well... some form of quote from the witness(es) at least? Is that honestly something unreasonable to be asking for? I'm not denying that information is out there, you're obviously more familiar with this story than I am. All I'm saying is the story you linked to says nothing more than "the exchange was overheard by a reporter". Unless I missed more details. I mean we all know how journalism works, and a reporter saying "I overhear him shouting at her, but didn't hear him say the word *****" could be truthfully summarised as "the exchange was overheard by a reporter", so it would be nice to know what the witness actually claims in their own words.

Also, despite the yelling, the story only states that he "said" the ***** comment whilst walking away, so it would be wrong to simply assume that that was also yelled, and therefore clearly audible 30 ft away.

The only other thing I can see is AOC calling this Williams chap a liar when he says he didn't witness the exchange.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Just recording this one for posterity:
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Big words from someone who comes across as a sexually-frustrated sixteen-year-old

The thing about liking a post is that there is no context. All most of us see is someone liking a post advocating rape culture. Regardless of their real views, the liker doesn't have much room to complain when people associate them with the stuff they like. I think more people need think before they like.

 

[Moriarte]

A powerful speech indeed.

It is unfortunate there were no witnesses to their conversation. Apologies if I missed something, I merely skimmed through the links provided.

 

[Estebonrober]

Well... some form of quote from the witness(es) at least? Is that honestly something unreasonable to be asking for? I'm not denying that information is out there, you're obviously more familiar with this story than I am. All I'm saying is the story you linked to says nothing more than "the exchange was overheard by a reporter". Unless I missed more details. I mean we all know how journalism works, and a reporter saying "I overhear him shouting at her, but didn't hear him say the word *****" could be truthfully summarised as "the exchange was overheard by a reporter", so it would be nice to know what the witness actually claims in their own words.

Also, despite the yelling, the story only states that he "said" the ***** comment whilst walking away, so it would be wrong to simply assume that that was also yelled, and therefore clearly audible 30 ft away.

The only other thing I can see is AOC calling this Williams chap a liar when he says he didn't witness the exchange.

which he was right next to yoho according to the reporter. This is willful denial to hold a narrative.

 

[Estebonrober]

A powerful speech indeed.

It is unfortunate there were no witnesses to their conversation. Apologies if I missed something, I merely skimmed through the links provided.

There were two reporters. They reported the story first not AOC. They dhave not contested her version of events.

 

[Moriarte]

Lots of people think AOC is disgusting, crazy, and out of her mind though? What's the issue? Someone spoke their mind and hurt her fee-fees so now there needs to be a national debate about it? Lol. It's a women's rights issue now. LOL.

Sure it is. More importantly it is a basic human decency issue and a missing of few cogs inside the skull issue.

 

[Cutlass]

GOP Congressman Who Called AOC ‘*****’ Voted Against Anti-Lynching Law
On July 21, 2020 By Oliver Willis

Republican congressman Ted Yoho (R-FL), who called Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) a “*****” recently opposed a federal law outlying the practice of lynching.

Yoho called the congresswoman, who recently won a landslide victory in the New York Democratic primary, a “fudging *****” on the steps of the U.S. Capitol after she linked violent crime to the desperate situation created by the pandemic.

“Believe it or not, I usually get along fine w/ my GOP colleagues. We know how to check our legislative sparring at the committee door,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote after the incident was reported. “But hey, “b*tches” get stuff done. ‍”

The sexist slur was condemned by many, including several of Ocasio-Cortez’s fellow Democratic members of Congress.

Before he went on the attack against the popular Democrat, Rep. Yoho most recently made news for being one of the few in Congress to vote against a federal anti-lynching law.

The legislation, entitled The Emmett Till Antilynching Act was approved in a bipartisan vote of 410-4.

Emmett Till was a 14-year-old boy murdered in 1955 after a racist mob descended upon him and bludgeoned his body until it was unrecognizable. The killing is considered one of the seminal events in the formation of the modern Civil Rights movement.

Yoho justified his vote with the claim that the law is an “overreach of the federal government and tramples on states rights.” But even his fellow Republicans did not agree with his extremist position.

In addition to his controversial vote on such a key racial issue, Yoho also earned a “0” score from the Human Rights Campaign for his voting record against issues regarding LGBTQ rights and equality.

Yoho has been a stalwart defender of Donald Trump and announced in December 2019 he would not run for reelection in 2020.

https://oliverwillis.com/gop-congressman-who-called-aoc-*****-voted-against-anti-lynching-law/






Seems like this guy has an even bigger problem with people who want to live free.

 

[Lexicus]

The thing about liking a post is that there is no context. All most of us see is someone liking a post advocating rape culture. Regardless of their real views, the liker doesn't have much room to complain when people associate them with the stuff they like. I think more people need think before they like.

I make no commentary, I merely record what happened

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Because Yoho is sticking to the issues!

Yoho isn't meaningfully better and in this incident is clearly worse (assuming all allegations true, of course), except perhaps using less official time on it. There's no apparent benefit to walking up to astroturf and calling her out even if he believed every word he said. It's not going to change law, not going to usefully change her behavior, not going to accomplish anything good for the country. It's not a respectable action and I don't respect his choice. Acting like astroturf is not useful if you actually dislike her practices. If she's really that dangerous, it should be trivial to demonstrate why that is when debating policy. Yoho is obviously in the wrong here, moreso than astroturf even if her resulting speech was fake too.

I was almost getting ready for her to challenge Yoho to a game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker (a.k.a. Yu-gi-oh) with the looser having to clean Trump’s dishes.

I always wondered what the "shadow realm" looked like. Now we know!

That you would cite BDSM as a reason that some jackass could 'power rape' a woman

"Power rape" as alleged isn't rape and it's pathetic to cheapen the trauma of the actual, serious crime in this capacity.

On an unrelated note, someone talking about a large female dog + naval service so close to each other made me chuckle because it reminds me of the copy pasta, even though the context here is completely different.

The thing about liking a post is that there is no context. All most of us see is someone liking a post advocating rape culture. Regardless of their real views, the liker doesn't have much room to complain when people associate them with the stuff they like. I think more people need think before they like.

Person liking might agree with whole message. Person liking might agree with only part of the message. Person liking might be doing so because of the impact it has on other people when a forum publicly displays likes. Who knows why it's happening.

It does say something when quoted is the level of "argument" one resorts to, however.

 

[cardgame]

astroturf

what does this mean?

 

[Cutlass]

what does this mean?

Whatever the user wants it to mean.

But, if it did have a definition, it is a "grass roots movement" which is artificially created by the elite and organizes a "spontaneous" mass movement. The Tea Party is the most pure form of astroturfing.