AOC and Republican misogynistic values

[Manfred Belheim]

What happened — That wasn’t the most neighborly thing to do:

Via The Hill’s Mike Lillis, Yoho confronted Ocasio-Cortez on the Capitol steps on Monday, slamming her on the issues of crime policing. https://bit.ly/2WLiCrG

The exchange: “In a brief but heated exchange, which was overheard by a reporter, Yoho told Ocasio-Cortez she was ‘disgusting’ for recently suggesting that poverty and unemployment are driving a spike in crime in New York City during the coronavirus pandemic. ‘You are out of your freaking mind,’ Yoho told her. Ocasio-Cortez shot back, telling Yoho he was being ‘rude.’”

And after they parted ways: Walking with Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas), Yoho said, “******* *****.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/1230-r...loyment-benefit-set-to-expire-where-it-stands

Let me hold your hand gently and tell you something. . . conservatives are generally monsters. . .globally. They have shown over and over and over again their outright willingness to lie right to your face despite you seeing their crimes with your very eyes. Whether it is Muslim reactionaries in ISIS or the conservative part in dear old England, or the GOP in the US. The theme is the same.

I would accept an apology, but a sincere one is quite rare from a conservative.

Wow... a lot to unpack here.

So firstly (and mainly) all I'm seeing is "In a brief but heated exchange, which was overheard by a reporter". Okay... what reporter? The article is written by a Mike Lillis, but presumably if he'd heard it he'd be saying as much in the first person wouldn't he? He appears to be making a claim that someone else heard this. So who is this someone else, and what do they actually say?

Secondly... not really interested in your personal opinion of what conservatives are like. Not relevant.

Thirdly... what do you even think I owe you an apology for? I'm just asking you to provide what the reporter actually said, if there's a quote that exists. Since you seem to know the history of this story I'd guess you would know of a link to that if there is one. If there isn't one, or you don't know if there is one, can you just say as much, then I can stop asking. If you provide it I'll certainly say thank you, but I can't see what I owe you an apology for here.

Fourthly, I'm not even much of a conservative, but "I wouldn't even expect an apology from someone like you" (if you'll allow me to paraphrase) doesn't exactly bode well for the future of this exchange. But it is rather telling that you think I owe you an apology for asking you a question, but you presumably don't for just attacking my character. Lovely.

Edit: Interestingly that original (as far as I can tell) Mike Lillis article makes no mention of Williams taking part in the exchange at all, in fact it says Yoho was joined by him after parting ways with AOC. Yet AOC claims Williams yelled at her too, about throwing urine (?!). So these two accounts are contradicting each other to begin with.

 

[Hygro]

She’s not AstroTurf, she’s not fake grassroots, she’s actually grassroots.

This is also clearly misogyny and she was right to address it as such. Her femaleness triggered his choice of words to reignite a woman’s stereotype threat. He uses the identity-based channel to trigger the response in which you underperform due to the being-“put into place”-weight on your ability to act in full form.

 

[Estebonrober]

Wow... a lot to unpack here.

So firstly (and mainly) all I'm seeing is "In a brief but heated exchange, which was overheard by a reporter". Okay... what reporter? The article is written by a Mike Lillis, but presumably if he'd heard it he'd be saying as much in the first person wouldn't he? He appears to be making a claim that someone else heard this. So who is this someone else, and what do they actually say?

Secondly... not really interested in your personal opinion of what conservatives are like. Not relevant.

Thirdly... what do you even think I owe you an apology for? I'm just asking you to provide what the reporter actually said, if there's a quote that exists. Since you seem to know the history of this story I'd guess you would know of a link to that if there is one. If there isn't one, or you don't know if there is one, can you just say as much, then I can stop asking. If you provide it I'll certainly say thank you, but I can't see what I owe you an apology for here.

Fourthly, I'm not even much of a conservative, but "I wouldn't even expect an apology from someone like you" (if you'll allow me to paraphrase) doesn't exactly bode well for the future of this exchange. But it is rather telling that you think I owe you an apology for asking you a question, but you presumably don't for just attacking my character. Lovely.

You quoted my statement about defaulting to accepting apology. I didn't mean you personally. I apologize for the confusion. See its not hard.

As for the rest of it Idk what to tell you, you seem to want to doubt a pretty straight forward story. Afterall whats more likely that she made up the last part as they walked away jsut to score that last point or that it happened and he wanted to take it back? I know what I'm more used to seeing irl.

Also did you doubt Roger Stone asking "why do I have to argue with this negro?" ? You seem to not want to believe your lying eyes or ears.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You quoted my statement about defaulting to accepting apology. I didn't mean you personally. I apologize for the confusion. See its not hard.

When did I ever say apologising was hard? I just said I didn't see what I owed you an apology for, but I misunderstood. So I'll apologise for my misunderstanding and also accept yours. No it's not hard is it.

As for the rest of it Idk what to tell you, you seem to want to doubt a pretty straight forward story. Afterall whats more likely that she made up the last part as they walked away jsut to score that last point or that it happened and he wanted to take it back?

Well it's straight forward, but it's also her word against his. I'm not going to decide who's side is "more likely" since I have nothing to base that decision on. But, in the absence of any other testimony, the most charitable option is to accept his version and to assume she misheard, because that's the only option that doesn't presume that someone is lying.

As for the "any other testimony" part, all I can see is an article written by one man, seemingly claiming that someone else "overheard the heated exchange". But it doesn't say who the other person is, or what they claim to have overheard in that heated exchange. Notably, the b**** comment in question wasn't even stated to be part of that "heated exchange" anyway, but to have happened afterwards, so the claim means even less.

And then on top of that there's the fact (that I added to my last post in an edit you probably didn't see) that the article directly contradicts what AOC claimed about the exchange, in regards to Williams' involvement in it. So... at least one of them would seem to be giving an unreliable account.

Also did you doubt Roger Stone asking "why do I have to argue with this negro?" ? You seem to not want to believe your lying eyes or ears.

I have no idea who that is or what you're referring to. Wouldn't appear to be relevant to the AOC thing. The last sentence is just uncharitable really, given how clearly I'm explaining myself. Is there a direct quote from a person claiming to be a witness, to the effect of "I heard Yoho call AOC a b****" or isn't there? All I'm seeing is a reporter claim that there was another reporter who "overheard the heated exchange", in an article that contradicts AOC's version of events in other matters. I don't see how you can't see why this is... less than convincing.

 

[Estebonrober]

I have no idea who that is or what you're referring to. Wouldn't appear to be relevant to the AOC thing. The last sentence is just uncharitable really, given how clearly I'm explaining myself. Is there a direct quote from a person claiming to be a witness, to the effect of "I heard Yoho call AOC a b****" or isn't there? All I'm seeing is a reporter claim that there was another reporter who "overheard the heated exchange", in an article that contradicts AOC's version of events in other matters. I don't see how you can't see why this is... less than convincing.

Omfg the reporters wrote the original story without AOC pushing or asking them to, then it went viral, the Yoho "apologized", then AOC called him for fudging the apology. There is only one way to read this situation yet you insist on both sidesing it. It is befuddling. and maddening and I'm done trying

 

[cardgame]

hold up, let me mansplain how this situation I wasn't present for isn't actually misogynist

 

[TheMeInTeam]

She’s not AstroTurf, she’s not fake grassroots, she’s actually grassroots.

This is also clearly misogyny and she was right to address it as such. Her femaleness triggered his choice of words to reignite a woman’s stereotype threat. He uses the identity-based channel to trigger the response in which you underperform due to the being-“put into place”-weight on your ability to act in full form.

Calling an individual person you have good reason not to like a rude name is uncalled for. Claiming that doing so is an attack on women in general is asinine.

hold up, let me mansplain how this situation I wasn't present for isn't actually misogynist

Words have meaning so yeah.

 

[cardgame]

Words have meaning so yeah.

What is the meaning of calling AOC astroturf?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

What is the meaning of calling AOC astroturf?

My original intention was to insinuate that many of her positions are outright fake, but then I read about the fake grassroots meaning and realized I had made a bolder assertion than I thought.

Then after considering it, realized it was probably still accurate and rolled with it. But when I type it I still picture the fake grass, can't get that out of my head now lol.

 

[cardgame]

How is AOC astroturf?

 

[Hygro]

Calling an individual person you have good reason not to like a rude name is uncalled for. Claiming that doing so is an attack on women in general is asinine.

Ok, so if he used some racist or homophobic word that his target corresponded to, the same logic applies, to you?

 

[cardgame]

Ok, so if he used some racist or homophobic word that his target corresponded to, the same logic applies, to you?

which is why racism misogyny doesn't exist, and if there is a pattern of behavior it's simply a coincidence.

 

[amadeus]

Ok, so if he used some racist or homophobic word that his target corresponded to, the same logic applies, to you?

Not to me, but I have said some men are (2 words that both rhyme with "picks") which I would also think a gendered slur. After all, women don't have... picks.

I don't see a problem in those three words, but it sounds like other people do.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

After all, women don't have... picks.

Not true, trans women do unless they're able to afford the extortionate fees for GRS.

 

[Moriarte]

The Republican party should be abolished.

What if he is a Christian or a Mormon, a fan of Pink Floyd, the reader of Melville and Tolstoy and perhaps enjoys listening to Madonna? Should we abolish Christianity, incarcerate Madonna and burn all the vinyls and books we can get our hands on? He is just an *******, one out of many on every walk of life.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

What if he is a Christian or a Mormon, a fan of Pink Floyd, the reader of Melville and Tolstoy and perhaps enjoys listening to Madonna? Should we abolish Christianity, incarcerate Madonna and burn all the vinyls and books we can get our hands on? He is just an *******, one out of many on every walk of life.

No, he's a man with actual power and the ability to harm others with his views and actions, he's not some random dude on the street divorced from everything and everyone else.

 

[Yeekim]

Astroturf

Whatever happened to calling people by their name?

 

[amadeus]

Not true, trans women do unless they're able to afford the extortionate fees for GRS.

That gets into a realm on which I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable, so I will rephrase it to: cisgendered women, generally, do not find themselves under such circumstances that would make requisite the wearing of a cup while playing American football.

 

[IglooDame]

What if he is a Christian or a Mormon, a fan of Pink Floyd, the reader of Melville and Tolstoy and perhaps enjoys listening to Madonna? Should we abolish Christianity, incarcerate Madonna and burn all the vinyls and books we can get our hands on? He is just an *******, one out of many on every walk of life.

I'm with you about incarcerating Madonna. Long overdue.

And that (kidding? maybe. ) aside, I agree, to a point.

I recently got yelled at by Trumpets on Facebook for saying that just because BLM "leadership" didn't apologize for or disown some person engaging in pedophilia during a march, they're not supporting pedophilia, because it's reasonably clear that everyone is opposed to pedophilia (or at any rate sexual assault of children, but nuance was not valuable there). I'd like to think that the GOP is opposed to misogyny as well at least in principle, but I do think a little public spanking from the Ethics Committee would be nice here.

I am happy that at least the halls of the US Congress have never hosted any actual legislative brawls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence

 

[amadeus]

Madonna’s early albums were great. “Borderline” is a fantastic song.