Apocalypse Now

[PaulusIII]

You guys are bloody ...
OK let's grab that shrine!

It's... just so juicy. Think of it, more than half the world is Buddhist and the tithes are collected in Thebes, by a weak squishy opponent who builds wonders instead of troops. Bloodshed before reason, we're playing Tokugawa!

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

... wait, were we just techwhoring like Mansa Musa? Never mind then.

Not really ... but I am indeed more and more looking forward an axe/phant/cat stack "en route" to Thebes

 

[shyuhe]

A short set as I don't know what to research next.

IT: I OB with Wang. He's DeGaulle's worst enemy who is woefully backwards. A complete non-factor.

Turn 177 - Wang is pleased so I beg 60 gold from him. I also trade calendar + 15 gold for HR with DeGaulle.

Turn 179 - Ramesses bombs a GA in Giza I think that just sealed his fate. Not that we have an army to speak of right now...

Turn 180 - CoL is completed (no religion - we were beat by a few turns). I haven't started courthouses which, in retrospect, I should have.

Turn 182 - polytheism is finished.

Turn 184 - monotheism is finished. I revolt to HR + OR. Osaka has Buddhism - we should spread it around once we get a chance.

Turn 186 - anarchy ends. I stop here with no beakers invested on the next tech.

Here's the tech shot:

And our lovely empire:

Ramesses will likely have ivory, if not already. So he's going to get jumbos of his own soon. Do we still want to attack him in this era? I think DeGaulle should be easy pickings - he doesn't have HBR or construction. Granted his cities are probably crap (since he's doing so poorly) but cities are more cities

Techwise, are current options are feudalism (bleh), aesthetics (bleh), MC (soso), theology (Ramesses founded), CS, and philosophy (religion open). We may also want to consider relocating our capital to Nidaros, or start building courthouses in our eastern cities.

 

[Diamondeye]

Tech CS and preapre to KILL Ramesses? And who is up?

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

@DE: me (if I didn't forget someone )

What do you think of lit -> CS. Litterature allows us to build NE and HE (the great lib will probably go in egyptian lands).
What civic do we plan to run during medieval times? If bureaucraty, I think the palace is good where it is, just need to cottage Kyoto. Why Nidaros Shuyhe, this city would be better as GP pump no? Osaka would be a better candidate if we move.

About next cities... two can be found near the clams and crabs respectively, but how do we work the cow near the cap? Do we even want a city there? It could be fun to put a city in the one tile island... the Japanese Alcatraz

About war, if we don't go for the Mahawhatever shrine, I am not sure war can help us (in this moment). Let's see what the other think

Cheers

edit: OK looked at the save, Ramses needs to die before he adds the Sixtine Chapel on top of the GA he bombed in Giza...
AC would give us some marble, so I think definately litterature next. Then CS.

 

[shyuhe]

Nidaros is more central to our empire, especially if we capture the Egyptian lands. It's really just a move to cut overall city maintenance. If we're going to war with elephants though, it can wait - courthouses will do for the time being.

The shrine is in Thebes. It's not too far from our border and Thebes is not on a hill. So it's definitely doable but we'll need a sizable stack. And bring spears.

 

[PaulusIII]

There's also the possibility of bribing De Gaulle to provide a distraction for Ramesses. He won't take any bribes at the moment but might once we DoW Ramesses.

Our economy is rock bottom now anyway, so we might as well break out the whip again to get us some troops. We want a LOT of catapults and elephants, and the odd spear and axe thrown in for stack defense/garrison. I don't know how the rest of the team feels, but I think we've got to be quick if we still want to get to Thebes, and the ends (shrine at Thebes, again) justify the means. We should be ready to declare somewhere during my turnset.

Ramesses must die before he even thinks the word 'Engineering'.

 

[shyuhe]

We also want to strike before the AP can stop us with some silly non-sense. Osaka can use the whip pretty heavily, as can Nidaros. Kyoto should slow build as it's slow growth.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Will play tomorow as I am also up in CO3...
So we want a lot of phants and cats, some courts. Whip mostly in Nidaros and Osaka... On tech lit -> CS or straight CS? The heroic epic is pretty important in my book...

Cheers

 

[Diamondeye]

Hmm. I suspect our techrate is below average, so I would say CS first. The sooner we get Samurai, the longer they last.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

hi guys,

I am afraid I can't play before sunday evening ... It would be cool if Paulus could grab the save...

Cheers

edit: ok , will play tomorow then

 

[PaulusIII]

hi guys,

I am afraid I can't play before sunday evening ... It would be cool if Paulus could grab the save...

Cheers

I'm patient. I'm also short on time

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

OK I played 15 turns to 400 AD... pretty uneventfull.

Not a detailed report this time I am short of time in this moment
I made some resource trade, sell poly and monoteism to DG and Wang for cash.
We are 3 turns from CS at 100% (we will need to find a way to finance these turns though).
I built courts in the eastern cities, stables and troops in the oldest ones. Kyoto is building catapults to benefit from its settled GG (a medic would have been better no?).
Osaka and Nidaros were whipped for phants, and can be again as there is plenty of place under the happy cap... I tryed not to whip riverside cotatges...

Nidaros has two scientists and we should try to keep them for now, it will pop one GP in 17 turns.

The troops are rallying Upsaala because this happened:

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A big smoke move (guilty your honor!):

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Yeap, I traded for dye even if we have already two sources please cancel this in 3 turns.

Overview:

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Techs:

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well, no comment, hopefully, a shrine + some more bulbs and cottages will do

Troops:

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Cheers,
Raskolnikov

Roster duty:

Paulus -> up
Diamondeye -> on deck

 

[shyuhe]

We have an army of workers, not an army of units. Ramesses may not be a unit spammer but we're going to have to send more than workers to the front line here!

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

We have an army of workers, not an army of units. Ramesses may not be a unit spammer but we're going to have to send more than workers to the front line here!

When previewing the post, I thought the exact same thing...
I built only 5 units in 15 turns because imo we needed courts, stables and a little more workers . I hope Paulus will be more productive than me. On the other hand, the border cities of Ramses are lightly defended for now.

 

[PaulusIII]

Got it. Will play tomorrow. I'll try and see how far we get in building our army and whether we might be able to tradewhore CS around for MC/Machinery. We'll switch to building samurai instead, if they're so close I wonder whether it is not better to wait.

After all, if we were to declare with only ellies, I would have seen a lot more troops and less workers, is that right Raskolnikov?

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Good point Paulus... see if you can trade for machinery and make some samurais before the attack. I suspect Ramses will try to bribe people against us so might as well bribe DG against the egyptians if we can.

About workers, I must have read an Attacko's guide before playing the set ... Thus I was under the impression that we could blitzkrieg through enemy lands more efficiently with them
More seriously, I guess we won't have to build any for quite some rounds... Hopefully the window will be long enough (I just played a round in the third emperor cookbook where I was able to war nicely till 1400+ with phants, maces and cats, so we still have time I think)...

Techs: Supposing we can grab both MC and machinery of CS, what's next? Engeenering for trebs or lib path (or something else, but we still need to trade for litterature at some point)?

Cheers

 

[PaulusIII]

I suspect Ramses will try to bribe people against us

I'd like to see him try. Wang, AC and Joao don't declare at pleased, and we will beat him to bribing De Gaulle.

About workers, I must have read an Attacko's guide before playing the set ... Thus I was under the impression that we could blitzkrieg through enemy lands more efficiently with them

Tactics is where it's at.

More seriously, I guess we won't have to build any for quite some rounds...

Understatement of the thread...

Hopefully the window will be long enough (I just played a round in the third emperor cookbook where I was able to war nicely till 1400+ with phants, maces and cats, so we still have time I think)...

Once our samurai hit the field he'll need rifles to stop us. His lone source of horses will not last long.

Techs: Supposing we can grab both MC and machinery of CS, what's next? Engeenering for trebs or lib path (or something else, but we still need to trade for litterature at some point)?

Cheers

If we are going to war with Ramesses (as is the plan) the lib race will be lost as we cannot afford Pacifism and the NE will be expensive, and our tech pace is too poor to let us derail from the military path.

So Engineering first, then head Feudalism/Guilds/Gunpowder, all techs with an immediate military advantage. It's possible that not all of you might want to throw the lib race but I doubt we have a serious chance of winning it. If we ever had.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

So Engineering first, then head Feudalism/Guilds/Gunpowder, all techs with an immediate military advantage. It's possible that not all of you might want to throw the lib race but I doubt we have a serious chance of winning it. If we ever had.

I am less affirmative about that because some time lib can be delayed a very long time in emp, and knights won't give anything that maces, phants, and trebs can't give... let see how things develop (+ we will have another scientist before lib and perhaps Ramses will do the GLib for us)...

Good point about AC, Wang, and Joao not being bribable at pleased ... I was too lazy to check the reference pdf myself

Cheers

 

[shyuhe]

I would skip liberalism as well. Or at least not make it a priority. If we get 2-3 GS, then sure it may be worth pursuing via bulbs. But otherwise I'd go for the military techs to take more land. Plus guilds and banking will keep our economy afloat.