Are Humans Extinction Proof?

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Leading Anthropologist Says Human Beings "Extinction Proof"

The theory that human beings may be extinction-proof has been put forward by a leading anthropologist.

Darren Curnoe, a senior Lecturer at University of New South Wales, made the argument in an article published on academic website on The Conversation.

He advances the theory that comparing historical extinction rates among humans and animals shows how the advent of mass farming some 8,000 years ago fundamentally altered our evolution.

He wrote: 'Farming gave our species level assurance that the biological isn’t always inevitable.

'The odds have shifted to such a degree that we may now be, with or without climate change, extinction-proof.'

His article comes after the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BAS) moved its famous Doomsday clock one minute further from midnight, to six minutes, thanks to 'progress seen around globe in both key threat areas: nuclear weapons and climate change'.

The clock serves as a countdown to a theoretical apocalypse and the end of the human race, based on threats - whether nuclear or climatic - to our race.

The decision by the BAS, comprising 18 Nobel laureates from the worlds of chemistry and physics, has affected the thinking of Curnoe, an evolution and anthropology specialist of 15 years standing.

In 2010, Curnoe named and described the new species Homo gautengensis, one of the oldest known members of the human genus.

As background to his theory, he explains in his article that While extinction for the human race sounds apocalyptic, in biological terms it is almost a matter of certainty.

There was no animal life on earth 500million years ago whereas today there are around 6million species.

Humans - Homo sapiens – are just one of the 4,500 species of mammal and in our seven million years of evolution from apes some 30 or so species of two-footed ape have evolved and become extinct.

That is a 95 per cent loss of hominin biodiversity, whereas about one third of animal species becomes extinct every 10million years, which means the rate of extinction among hominins is three timers that of normal animals; we are prone to extinction.

But, the article argues, the Neolithic revolution 10,000 years ago - the invention of farming - fundamentally changed humans as a species.

There were around 100,000 hunter-gatherers in the Ice Age and now the worldwide population stands at approximately seven billion.

Curnoe says: 'Seen in its broadest context, the history of life on Earth soberly demonstrates that the vast majority of organisms that ever lived, perhaps 99 per cent of them, no longer do,' wrote Curnoe.

'It also shows that mammal species normally last 1-2 million years before extinction inevitably bumps them off.

'Yet, unlike most mammals, including our dozens of extinct hominin cousins, we have escaped the vulnerabilities of a small and massively fluctuating population.

Spoiler :
'The simple, but profound act, of growing our own food delivered us the food security that ensured most of our children survived and our population grew.

'In effect, farming gave our species level assurance that the biological isn’t always inevitable. The odds have shifted to such a degree that we may now be, with or without climate change, extinction-proof.'

The BAS released a statement explaining its decision to move the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock on January 14 this year.

It said: 'We are poised to bend the arc of history toward a world free of nuclear weapons.

'For the first time since atomic bombs were dropped in 1945, leaders of nuclear weapons states are cooperating to vastly reduce their arsenals and secure all nuclear bomb-making material.

'And for the first time ever, industrialized and developing countries alike are pledging to limit climate-changing gas emissions that could render our planet nearly uninhabitable.

'These unprecedented steps are signs of a growing political will to tackle the two gravest threats to civilization - the terror of nuclear weapons and runaway climate change.'

The closest to midnight the clock has ever been is two minutes, in 1953, when the U.S. developed the hydrogen bomb.

The furthest away it has ever been is 17 minutes, in 1991, with the advent of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty between Russia and the U.S.


what do you think? short sighted nonsense, or will we really survive as a species until the end of the planet? or even the universe?
 
I wouldn't say we are completely immune to extinction, but there is a much lower chance for us to go extinct than a lot of other animals, due to our superior intelligence and far superior technology.
 
possible... the fact that we've survived this long doesn't mean we always will, but who knows what the future holds
 
Attention seekers love to make unsubstantiated absolute claims.

Large scale farming, and the advances that have come since it, have massively increased our chances of extinction, not decreased it.

The ability to increase population rapidly by birthing 4 or 5 children who then also reproduce is no more sustainable than birthing 2 or 3 of whom two themselves reproduce. Ironically many pre-civilized cultures deliberately kept population in balance to ensure survival.

Many organisms that spread the way we do tend to kill their hosts.

If we survive it will be because of our ingenuity.

By the way, I am skeptical that humans had no knowledge of farming before than agricultural revolution. Perhaps they just didn't exploit it to the max to allow massive surpluses that would in turn allow them to exceed the limits of their landscapes & necessitate conquest. Of course it makes evolutionary sense that once one culture started to do this others would follow suit or be subjugated.

Anyway, saying we're extinction proof is hubris. If climate change & ocean acidification spiral out of control there's no reason to believe we will necessarily survive.
 
Eh, that's a given. We can nuke meteorites now.
 
How much power would it take to feed 10,000 people in artificially lit green house for however long it took for the planet to recover? Not much relatively speaking. Baring a super close super nova which would fry all life on Earth, yeah I say we pretty extinction proof.
 
How much power would it take to feed 10,000 people in artificially lit green house for however long it took for the planet to recover? Not much relatively speaking. Baring a super close super nova which would fry all life on Earth, yeah I say we pretty extinction proof.
Well, we still need to master that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
 
Humans will someday be extinct. I don't have any idea when. But it will happen eventually. The real question is whether there is anything in the foreseeable future that could cause it. And what could we do about that? There are cosmic events we can do nothing about. There are human events that we can do things about, but those will only damage the human race, and aren't likely to make it extinct.
 
No species (as of right now) is extinction proof. During the Cold War we were close to blowing the crap out of us, and now, we are close to blowing the crap out of us.
 
No. Civilization / culture might be extinction proof, and we may have descendants 50 million years hence that trace a cultural lineage back to modern humans... but as a species we'll go extinct.

Well, actually, perhaps if we go further into genetic engineering, the population will be artificially constrained.

Yes, humans are proof of extinction.

I really wish this forum had a rep system at times. Awesome post.
 
Is this what the dinosaurs would have been saying what? 200,000 years into their existence as well? Come on, we're still babies in the grand scheme of things. This seems rather like declaring oneself fluent in a language the day after the first lesson.
 
Is this what the dinosaurs would have been saying what? 200,000 years into their existence as well? Come on, we're still babies in the grand scheme of things. This seems rather like declaring oneself fluent in a language the day after the first lesson.

No species on earth has ever had control of its destiny. It's pretty hard for me to imagine anything killing every last human off.
 
No species on earth has ever had control of its destiny. It's pretty hard for me to imagine anything killing every last human off.

I'm just saying, you really have no idea what's going to happen. Dinosaurs existed on earth for 200 million years. It seems find and dandy to say we're extinction proof now, but who knows what the Earth is going to look like even 1 or 2 million years down the line.
 
I'm sure the dinosaurs were wishing they had the bomb when the meteor hit.

"Hey T-Rex, you know that science stuff you hate... yeah that could have saved us!"
 
I'm just saying, you really have no idea what's going to happen. Dinosaurs existed on earth for 200 million years. It seems find and dandy to say we're extinction proof now, but who knows what the Earth is going to look like even 1 or 2 million years down the line.

I would be shocked if humans weren't extinct in 2 million years, from a biological standpoint.
 
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