Ask a Mormon, Part 3

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If I would bomb all the inhabitants of Utah into complete rubble, would the mighty Mormon people elsewhere rally for a holy "Mormon Jihad?":lol:

Nah, we'd just shoot you. And of course, everyone who helped you (since I don't think that is the sort of thing you could do alone).
 
I should temper that statement. BTW, I'm new to this forum, but I'm also a practicing, believing Mormon. I live in Iowa (about 50 miles from Nauvoo, Illinois). I have a Ph.D. in marriage and family therapy and I am the leader of the High Priest group in my congregation. I'm married with 4 kids, I was raised in Utah by a devout family, and I my ancestors have been members of the church since the 1830s (going back to the Kirtland years). So those are my credentials (or my biases, depending on how you want to look at things).

Mormons believe "in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" (Article of Faith #12. If one person or even a group of people began to persecute us violently, we would rely on the judicial system for redress and fixing the problem.

Mormons are unique as being the only religion that has had an official state-issued extermination order leveled against it. When that occurred in Missouri in 1838 (the order was issued by the Missouri governor), it was the direct result of Mormons not following their leaders' counsel, taking the law into their own hands, and responding violently to persecution. So you can argue that we have not always responded peacefully and lawfully to persecution. But the events of 1838 I think clearly taught us as a people that an unlawful, unpeaceful response is disastrous, and that the Lord will not support us when we angrily counterattack in this way. wikipedia link

If you look to LDS scripture for answer to the question, you will find examples in the Book of Mormon that provide additional answers. We talk very highly of the people of Ammon who refused to defend themselves when attacked. Instead, they knelt down and prayed, and eventually their attackers felt so badly for killing them (after killing about 1000), that more than 1000 of the attackers ended up joining the people of Ammon. So its a powerful story for a non-violent response. wikipedia link

Those same people's children, however, did not take an oath of nonviolence, and a generation later they stood up to defend their country. Here we find an alternative answer, where a violent response is justified when under the legal authority of the national government, when you are not fighting an aggressive war, and when you as a nation are keeping the commandments of God. In that case, the Lord protected them and not a single young man from the Ammonites died in the war (despite being in severe battles against greater numbers of better trained foes).

The Book of Mormon also has examples of people who stopped keeping the commandments, and fought aggressive wars out of a desire for vengeance. The Book of Mormon concludes with an example of this type of unjust war--if the Nephites (those who had historically followed God, but had become wicked) had repented and fought defensively, they would have survived. Instead, the Lord abandoned them and they were destroyed, bringing to end a 1000+ year civilization. (see chapters 3 through 6 of the Book of Mormon section penned by the author named Mormon.

Probably the darkest and most embarrassing chapter in Mormon history occurred when Mormon settlers near Cedar City, Utah, attacked a wagon train of settlers from Arkansas, after the wagon train had threatened them and had even claimed to possess a gun that killed the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith. The Mormon settlers' response was brutal and heinous, and has haunted the Church even since that day in 1857, known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The LDS church has strongly condemned the actions of the vigilantes that committed those crimes, and the tragic event illustrates why a violent, non-legal response to threats is not a joking matter.

So, that's a long answer for, "we would let the legal system take care of it, and even if we wanted to strike back at you, we woudn't."
 
What kind of places do Mormons go to pray?

LDS churches?

I could answer that from experience. Yesterday I prayed 2x in the morning at my bedside (once alone, once with my wife), and similarly again at night. I prayed over each of my meals (except lunch, I forgot). I also prayed during a meeting with my client (silently, without closing my eyes or doing anything outward that would look like prayer; to my client it probably just looked like I was listening intently while he was talking). I just needed some help and support, so I asked for it on the fly.
 
How old do Mormons believe the earth is?:mischief: :shifty:

edit: my tongue is in my cheek...

Eran has answered this well. I can add to it that I've met people in the church who disbelieve in evolution and an old earth (my parents included), while the more educated ones I've met all accept some form of evolution and an older earth. When I was in Biology 100 (I think that was the number) at BYU, the 2 professors teaching it said explicitly that they weren't going to get into whether evolution was correct or not. I have heard of specific apostles accepting evolution (Maxwell is one that I have heard of specifically saying something about it).

You'll find people who give a wide variety of answers on it, but as has been said, there is no official church position.
 
Yup.

And so are you, and your mom is his sister.

(I heard about that. This is one of our most disliked doctrines, for reasons I don't get. So what? We don't think they are morally equivalent, just that they are spiritual siblings, just like everyone who has ever lived on earth.)
 
Yup.

And so are you, and your mom is his sister.

(I heard about that. This is one of our most disliked doctrines, for reasons I don't get. So what? We don't think they are morally equivalent, just that they are spiritual siblings, just like everyone who has ever lived on earth.)

Actually, I know nothing about this doctrine. What does "spiritual siblings" mean?
 
It means that we are created sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father (and Mother, actually, we just don't really know anything about her) in the sense that they organized our spirits. Jesus was the first and greatest of these; Satan, before his rebellion, was another.
 
It means that we are created sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father (and Mother, actually, we just don't really know anything about her) in the sense that they organized our spirits. Jesus was the first and greatest of these; Satan, before his rebellion, was another.

How many spirits were made in that time? Might they run out of souls?
 
So, the catchy phrase "We're all Children of God" would include Jesus and the Devil, then?

Yup. Of course, Jesus has a relationship with God that we don't, but everyone on earth can be considered children of God.

How many spirits were made in that time? Might they run out of souls?

Well, there were enough not only for this planet for thousands of years, but an untold number of others . . . there are a lot, probably I don't need to worry.
 
Yup.

And so are you, and your mom is his sister.

(I heard about that. This is one of our most disliked doctrines, for reasons I don't get. So what? We don't think they are morally equivalent, just that they are spiritual siblings, just like everyone who has ever lived on earth.)
Why are we all so different then? Christ is so very different from Satan, and I'm different from them both. Not as evil as Satan, but still nowhere near as good as Christ, nor will I ever be.

I dunno, thinking of everyone on Earth (As well as Jesus and Satan and the angels and stuff) as siblings seems pretty weird. Almost incestuous at places, too....
 
Well, there were enough not only for this planet for thousands of years, but an untold number of others . . . there are a lot, probably I don't need to worry.

What have they done all those 14 billion+ years they have to wait before being unleashed?

You said untold... but limited. And limited runs out sooner or later without recycling.
 
What have they been doing? Hanging around in the premortal existence. Not really growing or progressing, just waiting. I guess.

And no, I can't give you a number as to how many there are. Or whether there is an ability for more to be created.
 
Why are we all so different then? Christ is so very different from Satan, and I'm different from them both. Not as evil as Satan, but still nowhere near as good as Christ, nor will I ever be.

I dunno, thinking of everyone on Earth (As well as Jesus and Satan and the angels and stuff) as siblings seems pretty weird. Almost incestuous at places, too....

Wait till the Theory of Evolution rocks your socks ... where you're related to a tree!
 
Why are we all so different then? Christ is so very different from Satan, and I'm different from them both. Not as evil as Satan, but still nowhere near as good as Christ, nor will I ever be.

Free will? And we have had different upbringings as well.

I dunno, thinking of everyone on Earth (As well as Jesus and Satan and the angels and stuff) as siblings seems pretty weird. Almost incestuous at places, too....

Well, we aren't biological siblings.

Wait till the Theory of Evolution rocks your socks ... where you're related to a tree!

I don't know how the souls of trees, if they exist (there is no doctrine, as far as I know, on the matter, but it makes sense to me), are related to ours.
 
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