Basically I'm trying to ask this. If the United States is at war with Islam, is Islam then at war with the United States. There are many (including myself) who do not think Islam is waging war on America and the west. But if it is the Islamic opinion that the US is waging war on it, why then do we continue to try to deny Islam is at war with us?
Hello, Brother.
May this reach you in peace.
There is a rapist and there is the victim. The colonial West is the rapist and the Muslim world is the victim. Your question is like asking: is the victim in conflict with the rapist?
If you answered 'yes' to this, then is the solution that one should continue raping and abusing the victim? Or is the solution to stop the rape?
The inequality in power is so dramatic and absolute that it is an almost invalid question. It is the colonial West which has declared war on the Lands of Islam.
The problem is that the colonial West cannot stay within its borders. Instead, it must always resort to colonialism and neo-colonialism, extending its reach and power beyond its borders into the lands of the so-called Third World. If the West refrained from that and instead stayed within its borders, then this would end the conflict.
If the West withdrew to its own borders and ended its neo-colonialization in the Muslim world, then the Muslims in the Muslim lands would also declare a cease-fire, as Allah says in the Quran:
"And if they incline to peace, so you must incline to it. And trust in Allah, for He hears and knows all." (Quran, Surah al-Anfal verse 61)
"Therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way (to war against them)." (Quran, Surah an-Nisa verse 90)
Should every Muslim in America rise up and attack government and military installations?
Muslims living in America are living under a covenant with their government which is considered sacred by Islamic Law. To rise up and attack American installations would be a violation of this sacred covenant and would be tantamount to high treason. It is therefore
Haram (strictly forbidden) for American Muslims to ever attack America.
Instead, American Muslims have a very important task of winning the war of hearts and minds: to convince the good people amongst the Americans to stop the evil ones from waging war against the Muslims. This is a very important role that American Muslims must play. You see, at the end of the day, Islam advocates peace. If Muslims had the choice between war and peace, they would always pick peace. Therefore, American Muslims should be the first and foremost to be in the ranks of the anti-war movement in America.
Sometimes the Islamaphobes will try to make this seem sinister, as if the American Muslims would be helping the enemy by calling for an end to the war. However, this is not true at all. Like I said before, peace is the objective. If America ceases its program of neo-colonialization and war mongering, then likewise will the attacks against America come to an end. Peace will then prevail.
You might ask then why don't Muslims also work in the peace movement in the Muslim world? However, this is not a valid question because the wars are being waged in the Muslim world by the neo-colonalists. There are no Muslim troops in America. Therefore, the choice of ending the war rests on the shoulders of the attacker, not on the defender. It is like in Civ 4: you ask someone to declare peace with another player, and he responds with "I'd love to but you'd have to ask them."
Which also leads me to another question:
Should the west consider itself at war with Islam?
You are talking about the masses, since the leaders of the neo-colonial West already know that they are at war with Islam. As for the masses, yes they should know that their leaders and country have been raping the Muslim world. They should be notified of that so that they can wake up and call their government to bring an end to the neo-colonialization and war-mongering.
Well, the masses SHOULD know that THEIR governments have declared an unjustifiable war against the Islamic Lands. Once they KNOW this, they should then call for peace.
Would you agree to Israel as a nation as per the 1948 UN partition, or is the state of Israel by itself an impossibility. Most of the land in the 1948 partition given to jews for the creation of Israel were areas which held a majority Jewish population (which had bought the land legally through Ottoman and British governments).
A myth and blatant lie. In 1948 prior to the war, the Jews owned only 7% of the land known as Palestine. You repeated the popular myth that they bought the land. And yet, we find that in 1922 the Jews only owned 3.5% of the land of Palestine. So between 1922 and 1948, the Jews only managed to "buy" an additional 3.5% of the land in Palestine.
You can check this on the official web site of the Jewish National Fund at
www.unitedjerusalem.com, a Jewish, pro-Israel, pro-Zionist web site. This web site states that the Jewish National Fund purchased 375,000 acres of the land prior to the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Based on a total of 7992 square miles in Israel (pre-1967 boundaries), this means that the Jews possessed a total of 7.33% of Palestine from its previous Arab owners.
Therefore, based on the fact that the Jews owned such a small amount of the land, the United Nations resolution unfairly gave the Jews a disproportionate amount of the land. No doubt this was a result of the immense pressure and coercion put upon it by the Zionists.
In any case, one cannot buy a land. I know that an Indian guy owns a very large percentage of the land in the city of Berkeley located in California. Let's say that he manages to buy up the majority of the land. Can he now claim that this city belongs to the Indians?
If Arab citizens bought seven percent of the land in America, do they have the right to overthrow the government and declare their own country?
Anyways, I fear that this thread will now turn into yet another Israel-Palestine thread. Sigh. It's so hard not to respond to such posts because you feel honor-bound to do it. And then it becomes a viscious cycle.
I believe that the United Nations was a good idea but that the United States exerts its influence upon it in such a way that it doesn't end up being a democracy at all. How many UN resolutions against Israel have been axed just because the United States enacts its veto? The United States thus makes a mockery of the United Nations.
Therefore, I reject the legitimacy of Israel. However, having said that, beggars are not choosers. If Israel offered a real peace which included a right of return for the refugees, an end to apartheid, a fully SOVEREIGN Palestinian state, reparations, etc, then I would not be averse to a peace settlement in which some of the usurped lands of the Muslims remain in Israeli hands. I would consider this loss worth it for peace, as peace is always the objective. However, based on Israel's history, I do not see Israel ever offering an even semi-just peace proposal, and therefore, I do not think that Muslims need ever to concede one inch of land to the Israelis. Of course, such a denial is only symbolic in nature, since Israel has all the power to do whatever it pleases.
Once again why does Israel accept Muslims and not consider itself at war with Islam, but Islam considers Israel at war with it? I could understand if you said Israel was at war with the Palastinian people, but all of Islam?
Isreal lobbies have always been very clear on the fact that they are at a state of war and conflict with Islamic radicalism. Likewise, Muslims believe that they are at war with Jewish radicalism (called Zionism).
But once again when you see the masses put all jews and all Zionists on the same pboat, it is a question that has to be asked of a self-described enlightened Muslim.
Well, that's a fault of the masses who have been duped by the Zionist propaganda machine. As for the Muslims, they have always worked hand-in-hand with the Jewish peace movement such as Jews Against Zionism or Jews for Justice, etc. This disproves the idea that Muslims are against all Jews.
By Zionist COnsipiracy I mean as per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That Zionists (or some sort of high-echelon of Jews) somehow plot events, control media, control banks, etc. That America is a puppet of a greater Zionist threat, the usual propaganda.
I think it would be too naive and idealistic to think that America aids Israel to its own detriment. Rather, it does so for its own imperialistic needs. However, no person in his right mind would deny that these policies are heavily influenced by Zionist lobbies, such as AIPAC which is largely accepted as the most influential lobby in Washington.
I would also like you to know why I'd rather ask you questions about Israel, America, jihad, etc because I have recently seen this video (the full version):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsession&hl=en
Also I would like you to watch the video (its only 12 minutes. the full version is like 45 minutes) and tell me your thoughts and opinions on it: how accurate is it, if you agree with it, etc. They interview Muslims (a martyr's daughter and a former PLo terroist, and a couple others)
The movie was propaganda and garbage. Why do I say that? I say that because once again the West is trying to portray Muslims in two groups:
1) Those who do not oppose the West
and
2) The terrorists who oppose the West
When in reality, there is a third group, which is the majority of Muslims:
3) Those who reject terrorism but oppose the West and who support proper Jihad in such places as Chechnya, Palestine, etc.
The West wants vehemently to reject the existence of this third group. It wants to cast out all those who oppose them to be terrorists. In the words of George Bush: "You are either with us or against us." Such simpleton logic denies the reality.
In Iraq, there are two groups who oppose the West: legitimate freedom fighters who are ressisting the Western colonial force, and illegitimate terrorists. The latter group gets all the news coverage in the West despite the fact that they make up a very minority group who are considered heretical by the vast majority of the Muslims. And these people are hated for the very reason that they do a disservice to the real
Mujahideen who fight bravely in battle against a colonial power.
Take care, Brother.
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