Ask a religious Jew

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tim
HUH???
Care to elaborate a little bit, please???

 

[timtofly]

tim
HUH???
Care to elaborate a little bit, please???

He did not chose his birth order.

He did not choose to deceive his father as you pointed out.

He did not choose to marry Leah, although a local customs background check would have helped.

Every major thing that he faced was not "his" choice.

He did choose to fight and because of that he got Rachel, and he got G-d's blessing.

As history would show, his choice for Rachel was both a blessing and a curse.

Wrestling with G-d was the only choice that he did get right. G-d does not punish those who (question) strive against Him, He punishes those who do not obey Him.

 

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tim
OOOKAY...
As of arguing, you can argue with G-d, just do it on His terms.
Talmud also has funny stuff:

It has been taught: On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument, but they did not accept them. Said he to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!' Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. 'No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,' they retorted. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!' Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — 'No proof can be brought from a stream of water,' they rejoined. Again he urged: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,' whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: 'When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?' Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!' Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: 'Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!' But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: 'It is not in heaven.' What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.
R. Nathan met Elijah and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour? — He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, 'My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.'

 

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