civver_764
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You can but it would be enormously stupid.
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ParkCungHee
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You're being far too generous. Hypotheticals by definition never constitute facts.
Traitorfish
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True, but I wanted to get my own little dig in there.
Whiskey_Lord
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Why do you suppose that there are always some people with the desire to dominate others? How would you solve this problem so as to prevent a ruling class from reemerging?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Remove the institutions, economic and political, by which either a ruling class or an authoritarian state may emerge. Whether you adhere to the Anarchist assertion that the state proceeds the ruling class or the Marxist principal that the ruling class proceeds the state, the answer is very similar: deny the bourgeoisie and the bourgeois state the ability to dictate the actions and behaviour of the proletariat. Whether this is done in a matter of days or of the course of centuries, the answer is essentially the same. All that changes is strategy.
There's a knack to it, of course, because it's all to easy to allow the formation of a new ruling class- or the reconstitution of an old one- as occurred in the "communist" states of the 20th century. That's why strategy is so important, and part of the reason that the left has the unbearable habit of splintering beyond all sanity.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
And condense authority into an even smaller class at the top? No thank you. 
bernie14
Filter Manipulator
seriously now, how does an anarchist society deal with well poopers?
Gogf
Indescribable
Frankly I don't really care what you like and don't like, but if you're going to call me out for being wrong then I expect you to have the basic decency to actually explain what you're talking about. But if you just want to make obscure, angsty posts without explanation then I guess that's your prerogative.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Depends on what is necessary, I suppose. Could be a polite request to stop, could be a bit of Freestyle Neck Dangling, or anywhere in between. Same as contemporary statism, really, but with the general good in mind, rather than that of the ruling class.
civver_764
Deity
Well considering that the entire way that the society is structured is in direct opposition to letting this happen, you tell me.
Plus what you're really giving me is an argument against statism, which has time and time again allowed power hungry individuals to gain control. In fact they are in control right now all over the world.
Perfection
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civver_764
Deity
Would you sell yourself in slavery?why?
Berzerker
Deity
but the relationship between boss and employee is still "justified"?
Civver
working for someone else aint slavery, its a voluntary relationship.
civver_764
Deity
No. The idea is that the whole structure of society would make such an action stupid and wholly unnecessary. And in social anarchism it is pretty much impossible for someone to accumulate enough capital to be able to hire you.
Established under coercion.
Berzerker
Deity
Stupidity and necessity aint relevant to your "justification", you said hierarchies had to be voluntary. And unless you plan on just taking away what other people produce, somebody is gonna invent something people want and they'll get rich selling it. And they'll cut me in on the profits
if I help them make more. If we out compete the "worker owned" business and it fails, who was stupid? My boss didn't coerce me into accepting money for some of my time, I agreed to the deal.
So voluntary hierarchies aren't a "justification" for anarchism? If I have a debt, I'm justified in walking away from it because of anarchism?
civver_764
Deity
1) There is no competition in social anarchism.Stupidity and necessity aint relevant to your "justification", you said hierarchies had to be voluntary. And unless you plan on just taking away what other people produce, somebody is gonna invent something people want and they'll get rich selling it. And they'll cut me in on the profits
2) You wouldn't be able to out compete mass confederations of syndicates.
3) You wouldn't want to subject yourself to that kind of authority when there are clearly better options easily available to you.
Because you needed money.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Question: Would say, hiring someone as a baby sitter because you are doing something be banned in anarchism? If not, how would that work?
civver_764
Deity
No that would be ok. It's a lot different from a capitalistic relationship in that you aren't profiting off of the labor of the babysitter. It would be the same thing as receiving a service from, say, a syndicate of plumbers.
