Ask Iranians

[PersianBoy]

Here's part of the script. I'll try to find a more complete video or written transcript.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/09/60minutes/main1879867.shtml

He despises the Zionist leaders (or as he says regime of occupation). Why? Innocents are dying on both sides. Hizbollah is displacing people as well as the Israelis have. How does this end? Secular government?

He said any country that imposes sanctions against Iran would need Iran more than Iran needs those countries. Why?

i read it but when president is describe his bleives conversation has cut and these cause this questions
I don't read the full conversation but I'm sure what Ahmadi nejad said in sensored parts (IMO and I know that in all media of US no one sensor media's talking or writing except for sake of national security of US)

poeple of ME think that poeple of UE cause problem of jews by killing them and then sending this problem for ME
I mean poeple think germans and frenchs and others have some problem with jews and because of them go to war with each other and finnaly decide to send this poeple out of UE and they find palestine in ME for this action
so call them uninvited gusts in ME

but IMO this is false
jews for long time live in ME like other tribes and nations, but some of them leave ME in anceint time, but now wanna to come back thier oler than history homes but forgot that in this time some other poeple live in thier home and take care of that and if they don't take care of that home, no home remained today so in your openion now this home belong to which group or in other word I tell a tale from persian lecture that two wemen are claiming that a child is thier son, the first claim that she born that child to life and other claim that he grew that child and this discussion cause to war between them, they go to judgment and judge said that what?
who can continue this story?

continue of this story depend on your openion and current situation of ME resulting in differnce of openions

you mention that in both side civilans are killing but from start of war up today that war end, I don't see any pictures from dead israelies
I ask one of my friend in isreal to send me some but can not found either
only find some pics from damages in Flicker but they are little a car fired and distoried and some little houses but not a large apartement like in Qana

I think this is because of diffrence in weapons, Israel have very advanced weapons like F22 Raporter and Hezbollah have some rockets that even didn't reach capital of isreal

I dislike every war in any kind as always said but think about Shaba farms that isreal occupied it and don'e give back them to Lebonan
US many times weto security council dissions about Israel but why?
"because they are miserable poeple between some wild arab and muslims"
maybe you answer so, but only 2 country in world have F22 and non of ME countries have that advanced weapons that israel have

a miserable nation with F22 and many advanced weapons and was said that have nukes (and a solder of israel in this site was said in one topic that i don't mention now, if isreal be distoried all region of ME will be distoried before)
I don't think this nation is miserable but stronger than every army's nation in ME region
but in this situation western countries support these poeple

palestinains even have not army and lebonan have not air defance
Iran wanna to build some nuclear power planet fore sake of energy and blame to wanna to build nukes but no one pose restrictions on isreal for (was said having nukes)
I'm waiting for any openion in pro or opose

 

[PersianBoy]

and some thing else that I forgotten

he is always talking in this way but no one in Iran believe that he acting in this way
he always talk that Iran are going to wipe out the Isreal but be sure that never do
all of this because of protests in Iran
news said that he didn't do thnigs that he promise to do and some of his ministers in government maybe change (he smartly said himself wanna to change some of his ministers before parliment displace them)

 

[PersianBoy]

and holoucast
before I mention that i found rare document about this matter (although I believe it is happened) why government of germany don't publish more documents about this matter
so any one can debate that why germany don't publish more documents and why only jews always talk about holoucast (many nations are distoried like Coollies and others)

 

[Paradigne]

and holoucast
before I mention that i found rare document about this matter (although I believe it is happened) why government of germany don't publish more documents about this matter
so any one can debate that why germany don't publish more documents and why only jews always talk about holoucast (many nations are distoried like Coollies and others)

I lived in germany as a teen in the '70's. I lived in Munich, and visited the Dachau concentration camp on a few occaisions. To say that Jews were not slaughtered there is insanity. I saw the photos of the bodies. I saw the ovens and the 'showers'.

Why don't german's talk about it? Shame maybe? Not a lot of them new what was going on at the time and didn't want to believe it? Most of the records were destroyed when the allied troops got close?

 

[TheDervish]

The documents were most likely destroyed.

Most of the camps were actually in occupied Poland, so when the Soviets invaded Nazi occupied Poland, the Nazis destroyed a lot of evidence.

I've visited a concentration camp once (Majdanek in Poland), and you can feel that something very heavy happened there years ago. Some opponents (very small minority) will say that Soviets planted the camps there to make their own propaganda against nazis, but again, if you visit one of these camps, it doesn't feel fake at all.

 

[PersianBoy]

maybe you know story of rachel corrie but there is a link for more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

I wanna to use this story to show that why palestinain and other muslims including my poeple hate israel
why many help poeple of Plestine and lebonan
and more important why Hezbollah always fire rocket to Israel and so palestinians fire and try to kill Israelies
israel always try to expand its border as occupied Shaba farms in south of lebonan but before occupton, in that land there was some houses and some poeple live in them
but israelies try to distory that homes and poeple try to prevent but how?
israelies have very strong back up of thier army, so if any poeple of palestine or lebonan stand in front of israelies, in next level must fight with isreal's army and thier country's army before defeated from isreal's army and they sure that thier army does not support them.
so people of a village must stand in front of Israel's army and it is clear that they sufferd and defeated
but this poeple don't like to forgot lands that they born in and live there, so try to by any means force poeple (that occupied land), to live. some kind of situation in civilization game when you occupied a city and maybe poeple of that city dipose your governer and back to origin)
I explain a example for realize
suppose that you have a family (sure you have a family now and maybe love them, but I have a family and ready to die for them) and you are son of the family. see your father or mother or brothers and sisters are in some bad condition for example a Nazi officer like films come with a row of solders and order you that you must give a room to that Nazi. you accept, because you know that if don't accept, solders will kill you. OK Nazi officer now in your home and wanna a room but all rooms have owners and non of them is empty, so you force to empty a room and give that room to Nazi officer. maybe you choose the worst room because don't like that man. but he look at rooms and choose a room by consultation of himself. that room is belong to your sister. but no choice, your sister gonna to collect her things but that solder say what are you doing girl, why you wanna to steal my room's things (yes he think he owned all things in that room by choosing that room in his mind) again no choice, you and your family must obey. your sister maybe cry for her little doll or other things, but the solder come out from his room and loudly say why you don't allow me to sleep, you are so bad poeple (means here terrorists). now maybe your father goes angery and try to attack Nazi officer, but officer fast come back to room, close the door and call all solders out of your home, then you see your father was arrested and go to some where you don't know and maybe he will not come back.
some days later, officer now have more ability because only your father have equal strength with that solder and maybe your father has been stronger than solder but now your father is absent and solder eat all thing he like while you are hungry and can not find any thing to eat. you protest solder that you and your family are hungry and need some food, but he answer no, all foods in this house belong to me and you must give some food from you wealthy neigbour that are your far family, because of hungry you do and beg your neibour to give you some food, because your family are hungery, although they are wealthy but don't like give any thing to others. so you recieve only rare and bad food, but wait a minute your father collect some good and nutrious food for his family but now Nazi officer are eating them. but you have no chice (saw your father arrested before and enough smart to take lesson from that) days pass and you see your remained family are going weaker and Nazi solder are going fat.
he eat alone in his room (ex room of you sister) because he don't like your family stir in every piece of food that he eaten but he think that when your family don't cook, so don't need a kitchen, then now he is the owner of kitchen and then way between his room and kitchen
but your home have only 1 room and hall and kitchen in first floor and now all of first floor is belong to Nazi officer and you must stay in secound floor. every day you see that your family going weak and Nazi officer is going fat, you have some families and send your little sister and brother near them, so your mother see that every day her family loose members.
one day you see that Nazi officer wanna to have (with appologize of moderator and any body who annoy) sex with your mother forcefully.

in this situation what is your reaction? (say your answers)

maybe you are a religious christian and according to believes, do nothing and even next day offer Nazi officer to have sex with your sister.

but I'm a muslim and in islam said that every muslim must defend himself and in this case attack Nazi officers but HOW?
this is a serious problem, so In Shi'a Islam said that plan a nice program to decraes possibilty of defeatness.

so you wil be quiet and think for good plan.
may plan will be so:
poisoning all foods

What do you think?








PS: I don't wanna to discuss that real situation in Israel or palestine is like this and accept that all of Israelies are so bad but many poeple in Iran think like this about ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN problem.

 

[El_Machinae]

Persianboy:

Do you have any news links showing protests against Iran getting nuclear weapons and the like?

 

[PersianBoy]

I lived in germany as a teen in the '70's. I lived in Munich, and visited the Dachau concentration camp on a few occaisions. To say that Jews were not slaughtered there is insanity. I saw the photos of the bodies. I saw the ovens and the 'showers'.

Why don't german's talk about it? Shame maybe? Not a lot of them new what was going on at the time and didn't want to believe it? Most of the records were destroyed when the allied troops got close?

I never exit Iran in my life
as I said I believe in holoucast and your saying is true
but I say that number of jews killed is how much?
is your equipment that you saw have ability to kill that numbers of JEWS that is said often
and can you link me some site that contain pics of thes places?
thank you for your answer

 

[PersianBoy]

The documents were most likely destroyed.

Most of the camps were actually in occupied Poland, so when the Soviets invaded Nazi occupied Poland, the Nazis destroyed a lot of evidence.

I've visited a concentration camp once (Majdanek in Poland), and you can feel that something very heavy happened there years ago. Some opponents (very small minority) will say that Soviets planted the camps there to make their own propaganda against nazis, but again, if you visit one of these camps, it doesn't feel fake at all.

when documents destoried, how can say that number of poeple has killed is how much?

[mitonam chand ta soal farsi beporsam
man faghat mikham asnadi az Holoucast pida konam va ona ro be baghie Irania neshon bedam
mamnon] spelled in persian!

 

[TheDervish]

Not all documents were destroyed, but documents that were destroyed include medical experiment data, which of course would expose them to some very very gruesome torture.

As for how the # was gotten, I do not know the answer to that, but I'm hoping someone here has that answer.

 

[PersianBoy]

Persianboy:

Do you have any news links showing protests against Iran getting nuclear weapons and the like?

in iran or out of iran?

in Iran nobody protest against Iran getting nuclear weapons because all poeple like me believe that Iran for sake of energy wanna nuclear program and nobody need to protest in public to pics available

 

[PersianBoy]

Not all documents were destroyed, but documents that were destroyed include medical experiment data, which of course would expose them to some very very gruesome torture.

As for how the # was gotten, I do not know the answer to that, but I'm hoping someone here has that answer.

remained documents what saying?
I see in wikiepedia a dociment that in code says some thing but could someone decode it with knowladge of decoding Nazi documents or not?
or all decoders destoried or killed in war?

 

[El_Machinae]

nobody need to protest in public to pics available

I don't understand what you meant here. Could you please rephrase?

I thought you meant there had been protests against the President's comments about destroying Israel and getting nuclear power inside Iran.

 

[PersianBoy]

@ el machinae
I mean that no body in Iran think that Iran's government are going to build some nukes (maybe they have debate but no one sure that government goes to build some nukes)
so no body go to streets to protest against building nukes and then Pics be available

no one in Iran sure that Iran gonna to build nukes, so when in debate no one go to protest in street
maybe when poeple talking with each other in kitchen (when eating dinnar) debate that iran maybe wanna to build some nukes but no one reach a certain point and discussion about it is countinues in dinner's tables

poeple of ira like to declare their openions about any thing that heard when talking with friend and families from subject like is ther life exist in other place of this huge world in other planets to subjects that some one who live in upper floor how can buy a car when he claim that he have not work and unemployed.

 

[El_Machinae]

Ah, thank you. I understand now.

 

[PersianBoy]

so no question remained?
OK

 

[Whomp]

Here's a quick link to the Holocaust museum in the United States. I've been to it and there are badges, shoes and hair that the United States Army acquired when the got to the camps. Very disturbing.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/maps/

dislike every war in any kind as always said but think about Shaba farms that isreal occupied it and don'e give back them to Lebonan
US many times weto security council dissions about Israel but why?
"because they are miserable poeple between some wild arab and muslims"
maybe you answer so, but only 2 country in world have F22 and non of ME countries have that advanced weapons that israel have

a miserable nation with F22 and many advanced weapons and was said that have nukes (and a solder of israel in this site was said in one topic that i don't mention now, if isreal be distoried all region of ME will be distoried before)
I don't think this nation is miserable but stronger than every army's nation in ME region
but in this situation western countries support these poeple

palestinains even have not army and lebonan have not air defance

Air superority is power. In the United States the Jewish lobby AIPAC is extremely powerful. It is said second strongest to AARP (this is for our older people ). Americans stand by Israel's right to exist as a nation. Much of this discussion goes back to times when the Ottoman's were in power. In fact, the Zionist movement was very weak initially.
Wikipedia the Sykes-Picot Agreement and Balfour Declaration of 1917.

So the question is can the Palestinians live together with the Jews? It seems to me that there are Arab Israelis (Druse?) that have had no problem.

Iran wanna to build some nuclear power planet fore sake of energy and blame to wanna to build nukes but no one pose restrictions on isreal for (was said having nukes)
I'm waiting for any openion in pro or opose

Regarding nukes--I think the world would feel more comfortable if there was some compromise. Diplomacy and relationships require compromise. If it means that uranium is enriched in Russia why can that not be a start? A proof of your peaceful means. Most Americans are not as afraid of nukes getting into Iranian hands as they are about nukes getting into Hizbollah, Hamas and al Qaeda's hands. This would be a compromise most countries would feel comfortable with.

 

[brennan]

If all parties could agree on the 2-state solution to the Israel/Palestine problem then there would be a lot less fear of a group like Hezbollah using Iranian Nukes in Tel-Aviv.

 

[PersianBoy]

@ whomp
but uranium enrichment for energy usage is only about 5 or 10 percent but for nukes about 90 percent
so any international agancy can an eye for iranians equipments and on't allow to enrich to that extreme to maybe in hand of Hezbollah

and if you worried about Alghaeda and worried that Iran enrich uranium and give it to this group, then better think of Pakistan
now this country have enrichment equipment and build nukes
so if alghaeda wanna to accuire some nukes, easily found there and maybe this this no Newyork remained, but newyork is in safe (I wish always be in safe) and Alghaeda don't reach enriched uranium for nukes

 

[PersianBoy]

@Whomp
I saw that site but no document
it is said that holocaust is a official killing, so I'm in search of Nazi documents that say how much poeple killed (espicially JEWS) by officials
poeples always can kill each other as in Bosnia christians killed thier muslim niegbours

and one think I found in animated maps
in map of WWII many pics shows but for holocaust no pic no documents
only animatation and with this new technics any one can build a animated map that for examples Chinese kill 200 milion poeple in time of Mao but full of lying