Ask Iranians

[Tee Kay]

I like being anonymous, thanks.

 

[boogaboo]

The "right" of the stronger, i.e. the right of force. (That a UN resolution granted a division of Palestine without consulting the inhabitants is more telling of the guilt that was felt by nations that neglected the cause of the Jews prior to and during WW II. Israel has ignored various UN resolutions since 1948, making a reference to the UN resolution that divided Palestine a bit hypocritical.

Very true.
However, once arab countries came in fighting, there was no other way but to fight, don't you think? I'd call that self defence.
And yes, Israel is very hypocritical with the UN, mainly because... Israel wants to exist eventhough Arab voice is heard much stronger on the UN, on account of number of countries, population and interests.

To this day the Arab population of Israel are 2nd rate citizens; another telling fact. I'm not defending the Arab declarations of war against Israel, though, nor the Hamas stance - but considering Israel's track record, it has still got a long way to go. (And Israel pretends to be the local democracy in the area; a comparison with Lebanon might be interesting.)

Mostly true -
The economic status of Israeli arabs (inside proper Israel, not west bank/gaza) is worse than their Israeli neighbors, but much much better than Palestinians (or even Jordanians or Syrians...).
They are NOT equal, I admit (and my country won't publicly), but mainly on expanding mostly-arab cities, and some jobs.

When we have major wars, many times many Israeli arabs are just waiting to cheer up their favorite arab country which will destroy Israel, while most Israelis go to battle..
So they are thought many times as something to fear from in case of any war (look at what the US did to Japanese people in it's borders in WW2.. and to communists during the cold war..)

Also, the FACT IS that they consist of nearly 20% of the population (in Israel proper!!), and bring more offsprings than the jewish population.
We DO want to remain a mostly-jewish state, which we can lose if we allow too many arabs to "settle down".

However, this (I believe) will normalize if ever the arab world accepts Israel as a jewish nation state.
Also, I don't think it's right, but politicians aren't very creative

The Intifadahs and the present day stance of Hamas are certainly partly the result of Israel's behaviour towards its Arab citizens and Palestinians since 1945/7.

Partly for that, but a small part.
Most of it is the teaching of religious extremists - again, jews were also deported from arab states in 48 and on, but they don't wait in a tent with the key..
Arafat refused peace at terms it will not see for as long as I can see.
The PLO are being slowly moderated (they at least TRY to be reasonable),
but the Hamas is a dead end way "we destroy Israel or die trying" (their charter is more clear), and Hamas never changed it's ways by more than a notch ("ok, cease fire until we get more weapons")
In fact, Israel main fukup is going in 67, keeping the population hoping Jordan will want it for peace, and getting stuck with it.
I still support a 1-side pullout of most the west bank - meaning we declare a Palestinian state, and the border is the WALL, until some PLO member can come to agree with us on other issues.
From then on, we shouldn't be responsible for their hard earned misery.
I hate to hear "Israel blockades Gaza". Egypt blockades Gaza too, and Egypt isn't getting missiles. They should bring them supplies, because when we open the gates, we get dead people on those gates..

 

[Turner]

Well, as interesting as that is, it's not really what this thread is about.

Feel free to start a thread on the subject tho. If there isn't already one out there.

 

[Great Cyrus]

I like being anonymous, thanks.

You're very kind. I much like East Asia

 

[boogaboo]

it seems that you are reasonable person; but why are you angry?
how old are you?
in your history books, what is there about iran?

I'm not angry, maybe dispared.
I'm 32 years old.
Well, we have a fuked up education system, but all know we were good friends with Iran until the 79 revolution, and Iran hates us since.
With (add insults) threats and more unclear nuclear activity, this CAN turn into a war in no time.
History books are mostly filled with 1870-present journeys, ideas and ideals of the jewish community, and of the state of Israel. (I studied that about 20 years back, perhaps the system got a bit better))

* unclear nuclear - any1 see that? I'm a genius?

 

[Great Cyrus]

boogaboo, Finally, what is your view about iran??

 

[Turner]

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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[boogaboo]

boogaboo, Finally, what is your view about iran??

Unfortunately, it's a good people, mainly artistic/scientific talents, with bad leaders.
Infact, I was friends with an Iranian immigrant to Israel when I was in school and he knew how to make great caricatures..
Still, it actually poses a threat to our existance, and we don't want your cities in ruin, but your nukes production vanish...

Also, Cyrus is IN THE BIBLE as a near-messiah, that can never be undone, and it is very much ok.
"Cyrus the king" is also a street name, at least in Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem.

 

[Great Cyrus]

you dont like Zarathustra or islam?

 

[boogaboo]

you dont like Zarathustra or islam?

Zarathustra I haven't read yet.
I haven't much against Islam as a religion, nor do I have much against judaism and cristianity.
I didn't (yet) read the Kuran (or the new testimony), but hey I'm atheist

I have something against extremists from all those religions, though.
Yes, against jewish extremists too.
I don't think one can start any holy war/ crusade/ jihad, because noone knows what god says and certainly noone has the right to speak on his behalf.
(the right to self defense is still valid, though )

 

[Great Cyrus]

ahmadinejad loves Jews.

 

[Great Cyrus]

religion of cyrus was Zarathustra.
no. you arent atheist, my friend.

 

[boogaboo]

ahmadinejad has love Jews.

I'm sorry, but he doesn't.
Certainly not with his holocaust, and certainly not for those who are in Israel.

It's a cheap propaganda picture with the only (very minor) faction of jews who think we don't need a state until the messiah comes.
Read all about them :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

 

[Agent327]

Also, the FACT IS that they consist of nearly 20% of the population (in Israel proper!!), and bring more offsprings than the jewish population.
We DO want to remain a mostly-jewish state, which we can lose if we allow too many arabs to "settle down".

Last time I checked Israel was a secular state.

Partly for that, but a small part.
Most of it is the teaching of religious extremists [...]the border is the WALL, until some PLO member can come to agree with us on other issues.
From then on, we shouldn't be responsible for their hard earned misery.
I hate to hear "Israel blockades Gaza". Egypt blockades Gaza too, and Egypt isn't getting missiles. They should bring them supplies, because when we open the gates, we get dead people on those gates..

Religious extremism usually grows out of desperation - as I tried to explain. (And that "wall" is another illegal and inane measure, handicapping many Arabs who actually work inside Israel. That apart, I didn't intend to start an Israel discussion on an Iran thread so I'm calling it quits.)

 

[boogaboo]

Last time I checked Israel was a secular state.

Still is, but it does want to hold a more etnically jewish than etnically other..
That is a problem, and I recognize that, but we cannot just let everybody get into this 7 million people state, which is supposed to be the only safe place jews will have and call their home.
I've heard many discussions on the problem of being a democratic state with a jewish majority. Currently, just too many problems with no solutions, as you did point out..

 

[Phlegmak]

religion of cyrus was Zarathustra.
you are atheist? that is very very terrible.

The largest group here on this forum are atheists, me included.

 

[Agent327]

I seriously doubt that.

 

[Great Cyrus]

The largest group here on this forum are atheists, me included.

no no. i wrong typed.
i emendate in top. plz read that.

 

[Phlegmak]

I seriously doubt that.

It's true. The largest "religious" group (not the majority) on this forum is atheists. Not Christians, not Muslims, not anything else. Dig up some of the 30 or so threads on "what is your religion" that have been made in Offtopic.

 

[Great Cyrus]

It's true. The largest "religious" group (not the majority) on this forum is atheists. Not Christians, not Muslims, not anything else. Dig up some of the 30 or so threads on "what is your religion" that have been made in Offtopic.

im sorry for you. plz read about the other world and improve your religious information.
i advise you; because i love you and iam overanxious about your future.
i ask you to do that,please!