Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

sometimes, I don't think you actually read my posts.

I just told you that I was lying to you about town reading you in order to test you for a reaction.

Okay, now that you apparently are so sure of me being scum, I can guess your response to my latest question to you(that you didn't actually want to sponge those reads, because it was a test).

So I'll ask you this then:

Who are the scums? Who am I scum with? Show me the connections

Good luck :lol::lol::lol:
 
Let me get back to you later, I need to do some ISO reading on them.

BSmith is complicated for me, because he was my scum partner in my first-ever scum game. That got imprinted on me, and I find it hard to fight that preconception.

I'll take that as a big compliment. :D
 
It's a bad read as I'm Town. I can understand people reading me as somewhat scummy for not being very active, but I don't see people reading me as very scummy as what I have posted has been from a genuine Town point of view. I'm an easy mislynch target, however.

@Lassie: I'm working on it.

explain bolded. This is easily said regardless of alignment.

The underlined part is not why people are scum reading you, imo. At least for me, I'm scum reading you because 1) your vote timing 2) your lack of reasoning for several of your votes 3) following the will of the thread (sheeping consensus opinion).

Cuth fading into the background also looks super bad, especially after some people (including me) said he was town.
Oh, I want to believe. But just the other day (last night) I played a turbo with him and I read him as town until he flipped scum. Unlike the real Alette, I cannot keep my games all too separated, because I keep track of meta.

Cuth, you need to post. I don't like you anymore. <3
 
Glossy, while you just read me town for 1 hour ago, you said that you wanted to sheep my scum reads(except the one on you), can you explain me why you wanted to sheep my reads on:

Cuth
Backwards Logic
Murska
Xym
Kennigit(Newyn)

Give me reasoning for each one of them.

Already posted reasoning on every one of these except for Xym. I don't quite understand the Xym scum read.
 
Okay, now that you apparently are so sure of me being scum, I can guess your response to my latest question to you(that you didn't actually want to sponge those reads, because it was a test).

So I'll ask you this then:

Who are the scums? Who am I scum with? Show me the connections

Good luck :lol::lol::lol:

replace me with yourself in your own scum list, and then I think we're golden. Maybe take out Xym, because idk why you're scum reading her.
 
replace me with yourself in your own scum list, and then I think we're golden. Maybe take out Xym, because idk why you're scum reading her.

Isn't it funny how it is me asking you about reads on those I believe are you're scum buddies with, while you're just explaining yourself to me, not asking me for reasoning for reading the same people(who who think are scum buddies with me) scum?

Wouldn't you be curious of what spew I might be able to do, now that you so surely believe I'm scum?

At least, that's my reasoning for asking you about it.
 
Isn't it funny how it is me asking you about reads on those I believe are you're scum buddies with, while you're just explaining yourself to me, not asking me for reasoning for reading the same people(who who think are scum buddies with me) scum?

Wouldn't you be curious of what spew I might be able to do, now that you so surely believe I'm scum?

At least, that's my reasoning for asking you about it.

oh, you want me to spew? the problem is that I am incapable of spew. glgl

I thought you already explained your reads? At this point, I think interacting with you is just going to be confusing. I've never had this problem before. How strange.
 
explain bolded. This is easily said regardless of alignment.

The underlined part is not why people are scum reading you, imo. At least for me, I'm scum reading you because 1) your vote timing 2) your lack of reasoning for several of your votes 3) following the will of the thread (sheeping consensus opinion).

I read myself as Town due to seeing my role PM.

As for why I believe my posts have been Towny, it's mostly the opposite for why you're scum reading me. My votes haven't been timed, that is to say, there's no incidation that I've been following the thread without posting and then chosen to post - everything I've posted has been written on the spot and every time I haven't posted it's been because I haven't been present. Every vote has been explained, however briefly, and they've mostly been on targets that haven't been high profile at the time.
 
I read myself as Town due to seeing my role PM.

As for why I believe my posts have been Towny, it's mostly the opposite for why you're scum reading me. My votes haven't been timed, that is to say, there's no incidation that I've been following the thread without posting and then chosen to post - everything I've posted has been written on the spot and every time I haven't posted it's been because I haven't been present. Every vote has been explained, however briefly, and they've mostly been on targets that haven't been high profile at the time.

erm...

I absolutely don't see the point of the underlined part (you don't need to read yourself as a certain alignment, you just are?), but that's just nitpicking.

It's all well and good that you believe your posts are towny, but that's not how you make yourself look towny.

I'm looking forward to your reads list.
 
erm...

I absolutely don't see the point of the underlined part (you don't need to read yourself as a certain alignment, you just are?), but that's just nitpicking.

It's all well and good that you believe your posts are towny, but that's not how you make yourself look towny.

I'm looking forward to your reads list.

Well I'm not exactly concerned with making myself look Towny.
 
Time to quote Yates.

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/1041-Red-vs-Blue?p=202408#post202408

"Your first job is to clear yourself so the cop/seer doesn't have to waste a peek on you at night.

Your second job is to find Town.

Your THIRD job is to find wolves - which helps you accomplish jobs 1 and 2."

That's debatable. And, more importantly, you don't clear yourself by putting work and consideration into carefully crafting your posts to look Towny, you clear yourself by genuinely trying to find wolves and, simultaneously and complementarily, town.
 
Autolycus/Choxorn/Murska/Lassie/ include multiple scum, i'd say

Here are my thoughts from the last few days. Sort of a summary. Lassie's roleclaim was absolutely pointless from town. Given the vanillafying mechanic, it's would hurt town much more than just pushing a counterwagon as hard as possible.

Meta dictates that that's an unlikely role in this game. Additionally, it doesn't make sense as a town role.

But in my experience the people who claim and go back on it, which iirc he did, are usually scum unless it's a cop claim. If it's actually a role they have, they're almost always going to double down as town. If they're VT and just roleclaiming then they would not usually pick that role, logically speaking.

I thought these following posts among Lassie's otherwise fairly town posts were fishy:

Mat you said stuff on D1, then you also cried a little in thread when put under pressure on D2. Now on D3, you're saying nothing, apart from this wrong vote on me, how come? Give us a top 5 - you've been active enough that you should be able to have 5 people(or more) who you find scummy

This is pretty bad especially when he's since admitted he doesn't have the role.

I think Lassie is likely scum.
 
if nothing else we have tons of information

i think zack is towny from the whole interaction whatever the alignment.
 
Still rhyming: (19/27)

al sipsclar
- Nine posts total. Most of these are saying nothing. Only really significant one with reads would be #1758, and it contains pretty much no useful scum reads and no reasoning. Plus we've tried to lynch him like four times and it never sticks.
Scummy.

autolycus
- Three posts. THREE POSTS. None of them are even saying anything. How am I supposed to tell? Neutral, though I'd rather lynch him than allow him to just sit and say nothing until the game ends.
Neutral.

backwards logic
- A whopping 4 posts, an increase of 33% over our previous candidate. First two posts are useless, second two are commenting that he'd like more wagon candidates than Lassie, though he'd be willing to vote there anyway. Reasoning for the vote on me is that I've been defending Lassie (true enough I suppose), but if he thinks Lassie is scum like he says in the very same post, I don't see why pushing for my lynch is particularly useful. Wouldn't it be better to push for those unconnected to Lassie if all you want is information on where people lean in a tight spot? There's not much to analyze here, anyway.
Slightly scummy.

bsmith
- I like his attitude on Arakhor in #1219. Mirrors my own exactly.
- 'Takes BL's lead' when voting for me. *shrug* Okay.
- Switches vote to Mat for counterwagon while continuing to claim that Lassie is very suspicious. The day ends in Mat, a Townie, being lynched over Lassie. What is this even?
- Post 1774 is lazy and useless. Claims to vote on me due to BL's prompt, though the whole thing was based on Lassie being suspicious (Lassie, whom bsmith saved by voting for Mat instead) and me having defended him...
Slightly scummy.

cass_
- Reactions and interactions on day one seem natural.
- Lots of questioning others, stays on the sidelines of debates somewhat.
- Post #826 is significant. Pretty detailed reasoning, but not much in the way of conclusions.
- #1556 another reads list. Didn't like my entry post, which makes sense due to it being deliberately shoddy fake breadcrumbing. Still quite detailed, progression from previous reads list doesn't seem very discontinuous.
Towny

choxorn
- 31 posts, the first fourteen of which are either self-defense, complaining about speed of the game or talking about things not related to scumhunting like mechanics, jokes, vote counts and such. Really?
- Post #1166 is the first post where choxorn actually plays the game. Votes for Arakhor, which isn't saying much.
- Suddenly starts playing after the almost-CFD on him. Mostly still on the self-defense line, questioning why people are suspicious of him - with the first 14 posts, why is this even a question? Scumhunting is sparse and not very insightful. A lot of 'I'm not very sure but I think X might be scum or town', and mostly on targets that are already being targeted.
Scummy

cuthilius
- Early day 1 debates with Visor, Glossysushi, feels town to me.
- Post #900 and around it seems odd, somehow artificial but not in a thought-out way. More in a way 'I want to justify myself' than 'I want to look towny'.
- Tries to get a CFD going on Choxorn near the EOD of Arakhor lynch. This is towny behaviour.
- Posting drops off drastically after day one. Why? Was pretty strongly for lynching Visor.
Towny.

edse
- Voted for Lassie over Arakhor, tying the wagons.
- Sparse posts with little content.
- Post #1544 is a reads list. There's not much reasoning at all, but somehow what there is at least looks genuine.
Neutral.

glossysushi
- 326 posts. *sigh* The ISO won't even show them all.
- Is at least seriously putting in work, for whichever side she's on.
- I'm skimming through this pretty quickly, but overall seems to be consistent in the prodding and questioning.
- Defense of Lassie at roughly the same time I was defending him and for the same reasons. Makes sense to me.
- Post #1451 towny. Feels like genuine reading attempt.
- Still strongly defending Lassie. Visor lynch proponent. Consistently agitating against Cuth.
- Today, acting oddly in regards to previously consistent Lassie read. Do you, or do you not, think Lassie is scum?
Slightly Towny.

golden1knight
- A whopping three posts, none of which say anything useful.
Neutral.

Kennigit vol. 2
- Originally Newyn.
- Newyn had 8 posts, most of which were the joking about being a wolf with various people on day one episode. He was the only one who caught no flak from it whatsoever.
- Post #946 the only useful one for trying to read him. It reads somewhat towny, like he usually plays. But he's hard to read, overall.
- After Kennigit subs in, I don't see much of a difference in Kennigit's behaviour from when he was Town on day one. But then, there's not that much to read. If anything, he's been more quiet and less pushy as New Newyn, and that's bad.
Neutral.

landlubber
- First post, immediately makes a halfway useful read.
- Overall, early posts seem constructive.
- Posting drops off somewhat afterwards. Reads on Lassie, Visor, Backwards Logic seem genuine.
Towny.

lassie
- 285 posts. :| At least the ISO shows them all this time.
- Leaps in hard right from the beginning with an abrasive style.
- The whole Alette thing is strange to me, but I think it's somewhat towny to not correct people. A wolf would care about appearance. Nothing conclusive though.
- Blocking debate reinforces the feeling that there's nothing in Lassie that cares about his appearance. Seems to me like that's the standard modus operandi he's used to on whatever site he's been playing at.
- Lots of pushing and questioning and general contribution. Doing lots of work.
- Pretty much constantly a major wagon for the entire game. A massive distraction for Town, regardless of alignment.
- Loud, bad tunnelling and bad reads, but might just be because he's not used to this style of game. Of course, after going this far there'd be no way to back down as scum either. Really lacks the usual Town vibe of uncertainty, even after his top scum reads are lynched and revealed town. The later it gets, the more it starts feeling like scum trying to fill the thread with chaff without even being serious about it anymore, just laughing at how long it takes for people to actually lynch him.
- The whole 'fake claim' thing just reads like he went for a roleclaim, then backpedalled once he found out that such a role doesn't fit the culture here.
- Suddenly going for Glossysushi? In fact:
"Mat93 = scum
Visor = scum
Murska = scum
landlubber = scum
Xym = probably also scum
Newyn = probably also scum
^Could be the whole scum team
Edse = could be scum, but not too sure"

His first 'full scum team'.

Cuth 100%
Backwards Logic 100%
Murska 100%
Glossysushi 100%
Kennigit 100%
Xym 100%

His current 'full scum team'. There's three of the same people (one of which is me, Town), three are different and a couple have been lynched and were town. The amount of self-confidence at this point seems rather baseless and, frankly, funny.
- What seems towny is, why hasn't Lassie been lynched yet? Seems like scum would bus him and definitely not protect him, yet he's lived several close lynches.
Scummy.

legato endless
- I like his entrance into the thread in his third post. Looks genuine. The 'meld' on me seems less like pocketing and more like his honest thinking, too. We've played together.
- Post #610 is also towny.
- Activity, again, drops off a lot. But what's there seems fine to me.
Towny.

lohrenswald
- Plenty of early posts, none of which have any content to speak of. The entirety of day one is this, really.
- Posting disappears pretty much entirely after day one. Still no content. Could just be totally confused townie with no motivation to try, or scum laying low.
Slightly Scummy.

sooh
- Lots of 'trying to contribute but I'm too busy' posts. These, in my opinion, are usually genuine. It doesn't mean she's town, though - scum can be busy too.
- Actually does put in effort in the end. ISO reads that look genuine enough. Also joins the CFD. Towny behaviour.
- #1779 great post regarding Lassie.
Towny.

xym
- I know xym, and the frustration on the game being much faster than normal for him is plausible.
- There's not much to read here. Rather few posts, not too much in terms of contribution in them.
- I can't make up my mind on post #1763 on whether it's genuine or not. Maybe slightly leaning towards the former, based on me feeling xym is not the type of person to go for such manipulation very often.
Slightly Towny.

zack
- Dismissive of day one, but at least consistent in being so.
- Another aggressive player and abrasive personality.
- Picks a target and questions and prods them hard. Good playing, doesn't care to be nice, does real work.
- Made a good case on Arakhor that turned out to be wrong.
- Overall plays towny, but somehow feels like he might be picking and choosing his battles. His targeting has been rather unfortunate, too, based on all the lynched Town. If he's scum, he's excellent scum doing very well to stay active while being townread by everyone and not really targeted by any questioning. The only reason I'm not having him as strong Town is a bad feeling about just letting him be.
Slightly Towny
 
My main disagreements are:

BSmith - He's actually one of my stronger town leans. This seems like town BSmith to me. Despite a bad start, there's a clear thinking process in his recent posts that seems like genuine attempts to solve.

choxorn - Neutral for now. I can definitely see this being consistent with his scum game, but I feel like we tend to "mind meld" a lot when we're both town, which has happened quite a few times so far, where our reads have been pretty similar. A lot depends on the Lassie flip, as I pointed out earlier in the thread Lassie's treatment of choxorn seems like teammates.

Cuth - I don't know what to make of him, he is all over the place. Neutral.

landlubber - Slightly scummy still. He's frozen since I called him out d1.
 
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