B2 - Revenge of the Aztecs!

[BrianJ]

Copied example from Lees LK series:

Worker automate is not fair is sucession games - please do not use it.
Also, no long go to orders. Don't fortify ships in the middle of the ocean.
Of course - NEVER load a autosave!


Playing -
Brian
LKendter
Shdwlord
Arizona_Steve
Nanook

The above roster stands unless someone from the B1 game drops out. Guys, please confirm you are plaing this one!

Civ = Aztec
World = Standard, All average settings.
Difficulty = Regent
Barbarians = Roaming
# Civs = 16
24 hours to verify you can play your turn, 48 hours to play.
Your choice, up to 20 turns. You can always play less.

 

[BrianJ]

4000 BC
Our people descend from the hills to form a town. Tenochtitlan is our fist city and capital.

3600 BC
We get a settler from a friendly tribe!
Teotihuacan is settled.

3550 BC
We meet the Americans. They wont trade us Masonry.

3300 BC
We get maps from an Incan tribe. Zzz..

3100 BC
We see an American Settler wandering around unguarded. I'm not interested in a Golden age with 2 new towns however!

3000 BC
The Americans are the largest civ! We are 3rd.

2510 BC
We are doing OK. The Americans are trying to crowd us. We may have to suffer an early Golden Age to wipe them out.

 

[LKendter]

Well I see a spot I want - The hugh block on incense.

You know how powerful luxuries get in this game.

 

[BrianJ]

Well I see a spot I want - The hugh block on incense.

Yeah, I know.. I'd kinda like the Boston location too

Of course, Boston should have been placed on the river.. we'll have to correct the poor misguided Americans.

 

[Arizona_Steve]

Get a stack of Jaguar warriors and go kick some American butt. I always go to war if someone crowds me out early

 

[LKendter]

Same here, I am playing #2

 

[Nanook]

But please move me to the bottom of the turn order. As I said in B1, things are a bit crazy here now but will be ok in a couple days. Moving me to the bottom of the order should give me enough time to get things together.

 

[shdwlord]

I'm in

 

[LKendter]

Pre-turn
Switch Teno to Barracks.

2470 BC - Begin research on Masonry.
2350 BC - Another border is spotted.
2310 BC - First contact with Japan, can't get a deal there.
2150 BC - Our warriors destroy the barb camp that was bothering Teot. Still not enough money to buy any techs from America. I refuse gpt this early.
1990 BC - Destroy another barb camp. Give that money plus $1 and get a Japan worker. This early, it is a big plus. Japan is now cautious.
1950 BC - Pop a hut, just to get angry warriors.
1870 BC - Gems on-line, 3 cities get a happy boost. We give up most of our cash ($58), and get Bronze working. We are still WAY behind in tech.
1725 BC - I really hate a golden ages this early, but the placement of Seattle really pissed me off. One mere warrior destroys Seattle - bite me Lincoln. We find **2** workers by New York - Can we get them home?
1700 BC - Begin research on Iron working. Tlax founded by a ton on incense.
1675 BC - Attempt an assualt on Boston, but when I realize it has 2 spearman, I abort.
1650 BC - Cali formed.
1625 BC -
1600 BC - Plus $25 from a barb camp. I use the extra money, and buy Mysticism from Japan for $75. We are still behind in tech.

Summary - Amercia won't talk yet. We have a chance at the Pyramids, concentrate on improving Teno. Just 43 turns, and about to grow. Get those 2 workers in the mountains home. It will take awhile, but extra workers always helps.

 

[shdwlord]

I will do my best. Have you seen any troop movement between the workers and home?

 

[LKendter]

Since I got to the moutains, no sign of American troops.

 

[shdwlord]

Preturn: hmmm, we are a bit boxed in here

1) 1550 Attack on Philadelphia kills one spearman, at least one more there. Attack called off.
American warrior reinforcements arriving at Philly

2) 1525 wounded units retreat, archer advances, 2 jags circle philly so they won't have to attack across the river.
America offers us a peace treaty, we tell them they have to give us alphabet, and they agree. They have 273 gold in their treasury, they must have been trading already.

3) 1500 Tex switched to settler.
Americans start the pyramids.

4) 1475

5) 1450 Japan raids a barbarian hut one turn before we reach it.

6) 1425

7) 1400 Iron working learned, writing taken. Rome found directly south. They have communications with the Iroquois, Egyptians, Greeks, Chinese, and Indians.

8) 1375

9) 1350

10) 1325

11) 1300 Xoch, errr, steel town founded, starts temple. When its borders expand, we will have iron.

12) 1275 The Americans start the great library.

13) 1250

14) 1225 We find the indians, to the left of the romans.

15) 1200 our golden age has ended. Xochicalco founded.

16) 1175 Writing learned, map making started. hopefully we will be able to catch up in tech by trading maps.

17) 1150

18) 1125

19) 1100 Contact with the Iroquois. The Indians are building the great library.

20) 1075 Contact with the greeks.

The spearman fortified in the tundra are the locations I was going to send the settlers. Seemed like the best place to secure the furs there. The spearman between Tlat and Xoch has goto orders to Xoch. I didn't do much for the infrastructure as I was trying to not get completely boxed in right away.

 

[Arizona_Steve]

Noticed Nanook's request to move to the bottom of the list, so I guess I'm up.

(Playing now)

 

[Arizona_Steve]

The reign of Steve the Boring...

A quick check of the foreign advisor screen shows that everyone's pissed at us.

Inherited turn:
Iroquois starts pyramids

(1) 1050BC
A couple of settler locations in the East are changed to snag all four golds before the Americans get 'em. A second settler is sent to claim the furs. Fortified spearmen make their way to the new city sites. I find another settler and figure he'll wander out and claim the lands to the west of us.

(2) 1025BC
A settler/spearman pair appears from Chicago. We have a number of jaguar warriors there, and they are moved to create a blockade.

(3) 1000BC
Steve vetoes the unpronouncable and untypable Aztec names and founds Goldmine next to the four golds. A Temple is ordered. Japan gives us contact with the Egyptions for 19 gold. The Egyptions give us contact with the Chinese for 21 gold.

(4) 975BC
Chicago settler/spearman pair are completely blocked off.

(5) 950BC
Chicago settler/spearman pair moves back, and our blockade moves with it. They're trapped within their own borders now. Muhahaha. Despite our skullduggery, Lincoln establishes an American embassy. The Indians start building pyramids. Dinner is served at the Royal Palace. My girlfriend looks at me funny when I tell her I have an empire to run.

(6) 925BC
Texcoco builds temple, starts settler.

(7) 900BC
Our treaury is running low. Science backed off from 70% to 60% to maintain a positive cashflow. Territory maps are exchanges with China. They go from cautious to polite. Mapmaking is discovered. We begin the wheel in order to figure out where the horses are. Failed to catch Technochtitlan before it went into disorder. Elvis is raised from the dead. Steel Town builds temple and starts barracks. The Greeks start the Great Library.

(8) 875BC
Furville founded on one of the furs.

(9) 850BC
(10) 825BC
Chinese start Great Library

(11) 800BC
The wheel is researched and we find that horses are already online. Horseback riding started. Lets get some horsemen and kick Lincoln's ass.

(12) 775BC
Barbarian camp dispersed, jaguar warrior becomes elite. 25 gold is a VERY welcome boost to the treasury. A second horse is spotted within our borders and roads are started to connect them, and the reamining cities to our empire. The Oracle is started in Japan.

(12) 750BC
Iron connected near Steel Town. The borders have already expanded there, and swordsman production can begin.

(13) 730BC
Lincoln demands territory map and 13 Gold. I think about this a while and decide we're ill-prepared for war right now. Let's get some nice 10+ swordsmen stacks next to his cities that are on OUR land first. In the meantime I agree to his demands, but mark him down for elimination.

(14) 710BC
Horseback riding discovered and start polytheism. This might seem like a strange choice, but the AI rarely researches this line, and it might be a good one to trade around to get us to tech parity. I decide that we have no hope in hell of getting the Great Library.

(15) 690BC
Second iron deposit spotted on Northern coast. An ideal place for a city would snag two incenses after border expansion, and is on a hill for defence. Two jaguar warriors on Barbarian patrol run into a Japanese settler heading to the same spot, and scare him off. Great Library started in Japan. Nice of them to waste some shields.

(16) 670BC
Our Japanese settler returns with his friends. This time he has a spearman escort. Our two jaguar warriors block their progress as best as possible. It is fortunate that the AI hasn't got a clue with blockades. Our settler is on his way to the prime site, hopefully he can reach it in time.

(17) 650BC
The Japanese must REALLY want that iron. A warrior comes into view.

(18) 630BC
The blockade is successful and I confirm that OUR settler is going to make it to the second iron. WE COMPLETE THE PYRAMIDS!! Everyone else cascades to Great Library and Oracle. Harbour started. Someone may want to try for Great Lighthouse there, so feel free to change.

(19) 610BC
Our settler reaches the new city location to claim a second source of iron. Beijing completes the Great Library, cascades to Oracle and Great Lighthouse.

(20) 590BC
Steveville (Yeah!) founded by second source of iron. We will also get another two incense once the borders expand.

Notes:
(1) A second settler is on a hill which I think would be a good city site. Workers are already roading their way there.
(2) Started swordsmen in a couple of cities. Kick some American butt.

 

[Arizona_Steve]

Here's a view of our empire as it stands right now. I have marked the position of our settler-on-a-hill. I think this is a good place to get a city going.

 

[BrianJ]

Playing -
Brian - On Deck
LKendter
Shdwlord
Arizona_Steve
Nanook - Playing

Wow, that was fast! Looks like this game is coming along nicely!

 

[LKendter]

Gee, steel town gets formed almost on the exact spot that I smacked seattle.

Also, Nanook said he couldn't play at least until Monday. Do we want to wait that long?

 

[BrianJ]

OK I've got this one too!

Can't be sure I'll finish tonight tho.. probably tomorrow.

Brian - Playing
LKendter - On Deck
Shdwlord
Arizona_Steve
Nanook - skipped

 

[shdwlord]

When is the best time to trade your world/territory map with the AI? Unless there are spots I want to settle and don't want the AI to see, I usually trade it away as soon as I get map making. Usually, I get 1-2 techs per civ, plus contact with another civ, often their territory map, and some gold. Do this with every civ, and you have tech parity, and usually enough gold to establish embassies with everyone, and a nearly complete world map yourself. In this case, for example, we would have saved the 40 gold for contact with Egypt and China, prevented China and America from benefitting from selling our territory map around, and saved us turns of research on the wheel and whatever other techs the AI already had, which would have put us even closer to monarchy and the hanging gardens.

Pyramids vs Great Library. Which is better, when you can only build one of them? I usually choose the GL, and if this hadn't been an SG, would have switched the Pyramids to the GL at my first chance. But I know that LKendter prefers the Pyramids, so I tried my best to ensure that we would get those instead. With the great library, you can research the monarchy line and keep even with the AI in the other lines of tech research, giving you a small lead.

If you do have the Great Library, in general, is it better to learn education, and try to outresearch the AI from this point, or research down the military tradition line, giving you a lead there, until you get education from the GL? I usually go for invention for Leo's, and depending on the situation, either education, to get universities and open up a tech lead, or gunpowder, for defence, then education for the tech lead.

The city of goldmine. I was torn between settling where steve did, or 2 squares away, on the coast. I would have chosen the coast, giving up one or two of the gold deposits within my city range, but not eventual cultural borders, for the greater growth potential of a coastal city.

Steve, I hope you don't take any of this as criticism toward you, it wasn't intended that way Just listing some choices I would have made differently, and asking for advice on which in general is better, so everyone reading this thread can become a better player.

 

[LKendter]

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