Babe and hunk threads - what are they?

[Japanrocks12]

Well, I really just meant nude or partially nude pictures (the jury being, as this thread evidences, on non-nude/nude-but-covered images constitute even softcore porn). That sort of thing is not, strictly speaking, intrinsically sexual, but most of it would probably be identified as "porn" by most people.


Not officially, but you can be damn sure that people would be paying attention to that. Seven Samurai, if you'll an analogy that some would likely consider blasphemous , is an excellent work of film, yes, but it also involves samurai running around with swords being generally badass, and there's nothing to stop a person enjoying it on both levels. All the insistence on dealing with only the "pure" artistic elements of a work just reflect people's pretensions, there's nothing really objective about.

That's an example of the "enjoyable" and "artistic" elements pretty well separated within the same film, there's nothing precluding that from being a great work of art. Same thing with a film that would have hot sex scenes and other artistic elements, that would be a work of art as well.

 

[Traitorfish]

That's an example of the "enjoyable" and "artistic" elements pretty well separated within the same film, there's nothing precluding that from being a great work of art. Same thing with a film that would have hot sex scenes and other artistic elements, that would be a work of art as well.

I'm not sure that those those elements are objectively "separate" at all. In fact, in this case, the "artistic" elements, which is to say the form, are at least as much in service to the "enjoyable elements", which is to say the content, as they are in any way independent; Kurosawa was making a samurai action-epic, after all, not some experimental art-house piece that just happened to involve dozens and dozens of samurai. I really don't see why this couldn't also, potentially, be true of pornography.

 

[Dachs]

If you could do it in public without being arrested, it's not porn.

Isn't that a circular definition?

 

[Japanrocks12]

I'm not sure that those those elements are objectively "separate" at all. In fact, in this case, the "artistic" elements, which is to say the form, are at least as much in service to the "enjoyable elements", which is to say the content, as they are in any way independent; Kurosawa was making a samurai action-epic, after all, not some experimental art-house piece that just happened to involve dozens and dozens of samurai. I really don't see why this couldn't also, potentially, be true of pornography.

Well, to drag this thread even further off-topic, different elements can be separable, easily distinguishable, but still overlapping. The film is artistic in the way it tells a great story, the way that neither side (farmers and samurai) carries all of the sympathy, the way in which the action sequences are integrated into the rest of the film. The fight sequences alone wouldn't make the movie artistic, and neither would any other feature I just mentioned. The art is in the glue that holds this amazingly complex movie together.

Similar, if a well-made movie had some well-situated raunchy sex, it would be sort of misleading to say that the sex is what makes the film so aesthetically great. It's sort of hard to deconstruct exactly what makes things artistic and what can be excluded and still help to realize that goal.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, to drag this thread even further off-topic, different elements can be separable, easily distinguishable, but still overlapping. The film is artistic in the way it tells a great story, the way that neither side (farmers and samurai) carries all of the sympathy, the way in which the action sequences are integrated into the rest of the film. The fight sequences alone wouldn't make the movie artistic, and neither would any other feature I just mentioned. The art is in the glue that holds this amazingly complex movie together.

Similar, if a well-made movie had some well-situated raunchy sex, it would be sort of misleading to say that the sex is what makes the film so aesthetically great. It's sort of hard to deconstruct exactly what makes things artistic and what can be excluded and still help to realize that goal.

Well, I should make it clear that I wasn't referring to only the fight scenes, I was referring to the content as a whole; that was just me being jokingly immature . My point was really just that you can't reduce a work to either form or content, nor entirely separate the two, and I think that this is also true of pornography. Just because most porn has little in the way of form of content that can be talked about, and the content is mostly very one-note, doesn't mean that the genre itself exists in separate sphere with its own unique rules. People just treat it as such, because a lot of them are wooly-thinkers, hypocrites, or both.

 

[Maniacal]

The babe threads are fine, they are just a celebration of the beauty of the human body.

 

[_random_]

Isn't that a circular definition?

Probably, but I don't need to distinguish between "porn" and "not porn" in my daily life enough to come up with a better one.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I kinda grew out of hard core porn when I realized I actually LIKE women