There was a second big revolt somewhere 110-120 AD IIRC
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There was a second big revolt somewhere 110-120 AD IIRC
Akka
Moody old mage.
There were THREE big Jewish revolts. One around 65, the second around 115 and the last one around 135 (and which had tremendous effect on the entire Jewish society/religion and paved the way for the entire Jewish history up to today, pretty impressive example of the tendrils of history).
I was surprised as well, looked it up ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt ) and apparently this last revolt 132-136 AD was the final destruction with 580,000 jews killed of which 200,000-400,000 armed.
The Romans needed :
Legio III Cyrenaica
Legio X Fretensis
Legio VI Ferrata
Legio III Gallica
Legio XXII Deiotariana
Legio X Gemina
Legio V Macedonica
Legio XI Claudia
Legio II Traiana
Legio XII Fulminata
Total 6 full legions and units from 6 more:
60,000–120,000
Supposedly two Roman legions were destroyed/disbanded: the IX and XXII.
From what I recall of my Roman history as a child, legions sometimes shared the same numeral, differentiated by their descriptor, so it could be possible for the IX Hispania to be lost and there still to be a different Legio IX to be destroyed at the end of the Jewish Wars.
agree, there is nothing really conclusive
Also the Nijmegen findings could be from a detachment of the IXth
Hm, fwiw, apparently this isn't about having evidence (of whatever nature), given there are many examples of the same thing done in all that series. Eg apparently the same is presented for iron age Europe village people, and celt warriors (which is a bit strange 
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I suppose it is meant as a message of inclusiveness, itself obviously positive if so, but here it is very crude. Someone actually wanting (and being able) to present such a message would not go about it in this way, imo.
Any less savoury end that some people bothering with this may have is not enough to be a counter-weight to the actual crudeness and problems inherent in the presentation by the bbc either; it is another issue altogether.
That said, iirc the french series 'Il etait unes fois' was doing something analogous, decades ago. Yet at least there there were redeeming factors; the program was high-quality by itself, much of it was not about history but either contemporary of futuristic stuff in space, and even in its utterly historical-typed branch it didn't aspire to be used as an official teaching series (afaik; contrast to "Bbc teach"), and - last but not least- it even had an alien character in the first place, so whatever ^_^
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I suppose it is meant as a message of inclusiveness, itself obviously positive if so, but here it is very crude. Someone actually wanting (and being able) to present such a message would not go about it in this way, imo.
Any less savoury end that some people bothering with this may have is not enough to be a counter-weight to the actual crudeness and problems inherent in the presentation by the bbc either; it is another issue altogether.
That said, iirc the french series 'Il etait unes fois' was doing something analogous, decades ago. Yet at least there there were redeeming factors; the program was high-quality by itself, much of it was not about history but either contemporary of futuristic stuff in space, and even in its utterly historical-typed branch it didn't aspire to be used as an official teaching series (afaik; contrast to "Bbc teach"), and - last but not least- it even had an alien character in the first place, so whatever ^_^
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Akka
Moody old mage.
This really look like some absurd idea of "mandatory quota" here. And really, projecting today's sensibilities over historical data is not something that should happen.
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Borachio
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Not seeing it at all.
And going by your pics of yourself, you aren't "really really white(r than greeks)" either, so what is your point?
Of course some northerners are whiter, yet i am not seeing why that alone has to be "white". Isn't this a bit bizarre as a claim?
Yes. I really don't get it at all.
A lot of Southern Europeans tend to have, I don't know, let's call them olive complexions. Certainly something "darker" than the pasty white redheads of Scotland for example. You know, the ones that turn lobster red if the sun peeps out from behind a cloud for more than 5 seconds.
And then, Middle Easterners, and North Africans look pretty "white" to me, too.
All it really comes down to is, if anything, a gradation from low melanin to high levels of melanin. And how much sunshine you're exposed to.
It seems to me the most flimsy of excuses for racism and white supremacy.
Thorgalaeg
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About the black celt, it looks pretty stupid to say the least.
About the black celt, it looks pretty stupid to say the least.
As we've established, there were dark-skinned Romans in Britain. The Norman priest looks more North African than anything else to me, which would be appropriate given that St Augustine came from modern-day Algeria, and the 12th Century was the high-water mark of the Norman dynasties, with their power extending even to Sicily (until the Third Crusade).
Quite why there appears to be a sub-Saharan blacksmith in Iron Age Britain, however, I have no idea.
Quite why there appears to be a sub-Saharan blacksmith in Iron Age Britain, however, I have no idea.
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I seem to recall numerous black characters in the Xena: Warrior Princess series and didn't hear any complaints.
Xena was a fantasy TV show, it never tried to portray historical facts.
What a shame...
It WAS???
It DIDN'T???
But... but... you mean to tell me that Livia Augusta really wasn't a wild young woman who galloped her horse around the Colosseum and enjoyed killing people with a sword, before Xena and Gabrielle came back from the dead and discovered that Augustus' second wife was really Xena's daughter?
YOU MEAN THAT WASN'T REAL???
You ruined my thirty-something years!
Of course I know Xena: Warrior Princess was a fantasy series. Of everyone I know who watched it, I was the one constantly muttering about how the writers screwed up history, got events wrong, costumes wrong, props wrong, and a myriad other details wrong.
The black actors didn't bother me in the slightest. Setting Caligula just a few months (a year at most) after Augustus REALLY annoyed me.
There were times in history when a lot of people moved around. These were usually times of natural disaster (famine, flood, volcano burying the town) or war (soldiers sent to fight, enslaved enemies sold here and there across the Empire). While I would question the use of the word "typical" in the videos, I think it's fair to say that it's not impossible for black people to end up in Roman Britain - even as one of the minor local aristrocracy. After the time of the Julio-Claudians, Rome got a lot less insular in who they let into the upper circles of power.
warpus
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Black actors in an ancient greek setting are fine, but a black or east asian King Leonidas would be weird for instance, right? The question is, how did the ancient greeks view their mythological heroes and gods? Did they view them the same way the Christians view Yahweh? i.e. without any clear skin colour. Or did they view them to look like contemporary greeks at the time? Or maybe it didn't matter to them either way?
It WAS???
It DIDN'T???
But... but... you mean to tell me that Livia Augusta really wasn't a wild young woman who galloped her horse around the Colosseum and enjoyed killing people with a sword, before Xena and Gabrielle came back from the dead and discovered that Augustus' second wife was really Xena's daughter?
YOU MEAN THAT WASN'T REAL???
You ruined my thirty-something years!
Of course I know Xena: Warrior Princess was a fantasy series. Of everyone I know who watched it, I was the one constantly muttering about how the writers screwed up history, got events wrong, costumes wrong, props wrong, and a myriad other details wrong.
The black actors didn't bother me in the slightest. Setting Caligula just a few months (a year at most) after Augustus REALLY annoyed me.
There were times in history when a lot of people moved around. These were usually times of natural disaster (famine, flood, volcano burying the town) or war (soldiers sent to fight, enslaved enemies sold here and there across the Empire). While I would question the use of the word "typical" in the videos, I think it's fair to say that it's not impossible for black people to end up in Roman Britain - even as one of the minor local aristrocracy. After the time of the Julio-Claudians, Rome got a lot less insular in who they let into the upper circles of power.
Your response is not only childish but makes no sense what so ever. You knew that it was a fantasy but you found it fitting to compare it to something that is supposed to be based on historical facts? Not only that but you were "muttering about" about the things writers got wrong even though the show couldn't care less about historical facts, because it was a fantasy.
Valka, you got balls. Respect.
My guess is that since they thought themselves to be kindred to the gods they assumed they are very close in appearance as well. The different appearance would on the contrary quite possibly present to them foreign element to the point of hostile existence (titans or other mythical hostile powers)
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