If it is Morocco and not the Berbers, they could go with Berber Warriors. They fought with spears and lances in revolt against the Arabs in Morocco as well as Al-Andalus. They succeeded in freeing themselves from the Arabian Empire to be among the first non-Caliphate Muslim kingdoms.
I really wonder what UU Morocco could have. I've heard the Black Guard as a suggestion, but I wonder what else could they have. Maybe they'll have a Camel Cavalry UU?
I was also thinking along the same lines, some sort of Berber/Tuareg cavalry UU, although we have plenty of cavalry UUs already. They could just have some medieval UU from one of the dynasties, too.
Another possibility I thought might be a Barbary corsair/pirate unit, although the Barbary Corsairs weren't really in Morocco as much as the other North African states.
My point wasn't where, it was when. The kasbahs weren't built while morocco was morocco as far as I'm aware. That means that the is already agglomeration of geographical history going on, and that sets plenty enough precedent for Kahina to be the leader
If Bismarck can rule a Germany with elements of Germanic tribes, HRE mercenary soldiers, and WWII tanks, I don't think there's a problem with Kahina ruling a Moroccan civilization with Kasbahs and whatever else. Firaxis has set the precendent that they don't particularly care about chronistic proximity between unique elements. If there's a geographic area with a rough progression of people with a vague cultural thread linking them to one another, they'll string it all up and present you with a Berber Kahina leading the Moroccan civilization, using a Moorish (?) Kasbah.
If Bismarck can rule a Germany with elements of Germanic tribes, HRE mercenary soldiers, and WWII tanks, I don't think there's a problem with Kahina ruling a Moroccan civilization with Kasbahs and whatever else. Firaxis has set the precendent that they don't particularly care about chronistic proximity between unique elements. If there's a geographic area with a rough progression of people with a vague cultural thread linking them to one another, they'll string it all up and present you with a Berber Kahina leading the Moroccan civilization, using a Moorish (?) Kasbah.
Except that Germanic Tribes->Landsknechts->Bismarck->Panzer are the historic progression of Germany, while a Berber leader from Algeria has zero relevance to the historic progression/development of Morocco.
What you are talking about would make as much sense as Maria Theresa leading Germany with a Panzer+Sea Beggar UU and Furor Teutonicus UA.
Except that Germanic Tribes->Landsknechts->Bismarck->Panzer are the historic progression of Germany, while a Berber leader from Algeria has zero relevance to the historic progression/development of Morocco.
What you are talking about would make as much sense as Maria Theresa leading Germany with a Panzer+Sea Beggar UU and Furor Teutonicus UA.
Was she in fact from Algeria? Her only connection to Algeria that i've found is that she marched there to fight a battle, from Morocco.
Additionally, you are basing Germany's historical progression entirely on the modern entity. As a group of "Germanic Tribes" and even for some time as the Holy Roman Empire, Austria was a part of what is generally considered Germany. A leader from Austria from when a time in history where it was closer to Germany would make sense, Maria Theresa would not.
Likewise, Morocco's history further back is less defined and agglomerates with much of North Western Africa as an entity. There was no Morocco back then, only what Morocco and Algeria and Tunisia were a part of. Morocco can trace its history back to it like Germany can the tribes and any leader of it will work in my book, Berber, Moor or otherwise.
We're not looking for 100% accuracy after all, its only gotta make rough sense.
Kahina was probably from the Aures Mountains that would now be in modern day Algeria although there is a lot of dispute. The same with religion - the Jewish thing only really came into reports from long after her death so it's pretty iffy - it may have in fact been done as misinformation by Europeans to try to weaken nationalism in Nth African by weakening the status of a nationalistic figure. What is known is that soon after the Arab general Hassan ibn al Numan took Carthage from the Byzantines, the Kahina's forces defeated him. Hassan retreated, probably all the way back to Egypt. The Kahina took Carthage and ruled most of Berber North Africa. She was the leader of one of the many Berber tribes. The Berbers cover Nth Africa from Morocco through to west of the Nile Valley so at the time Kahina was in fact effectively the leader of those peoples. She is a folk hero in Morocco. In terms of leaders she's actually one of the most logical choices available
No matter what I still don't want her in, and if she does get in I'll go cry in a corner until July comes and I can stomp upon her with Giant Death Robots.
No matter what I still don't want her in, and if she does get in I'll go cry in a corner until July comes and I can stomp upon her with Giant Death Robots.
Well if she was the leader, I don't think they would exactly take any of those "lion" pictures that exist of her as inspiration. I would guess her leaderhead would look more like this:
Well if she was the leader, I don't think they would exactly take any of those "lion" pictures that exist of her as inspiration. I would guess her leaderhead would look more like this:
Well if she was the leader, I don't think they would exactly take any of those "lion" pictures that exist of her as inspiration. I would guess her leaderhead would look more like this:
The difference between that and the Kahina-with-lions is that the former is a well-known artistic portrayal of her from a century ago, while the Kahina-with-lions thingy is obviously a rather far-fetched fantasy that suggests more of a nonsensical African mashup.
The difference between that and the Kahina-with-lions is that the former is a well-known artistic portrayal of her from a century ago, while the Kahina-with-lions thingy is obviously a rather far-fetched fantasy that suggests more of a nonsensical African mashup.
True enough - even the traditional pictures though portray her to be beautiful and the descriptions of her from that period describe her as such. Whichever way they chose to portray her she would probably be high on the leader babe stakes.
Frankly I want her because of all the potential choices she seems the most interesting to me. Most of the male leaders from their history have a pretty generic look which replicates many of the Middle Eastern and the Songhai leaderheads already in the game. She also used guerilla tactics and other interesting methods to push the invaders back for a decade. Rumors of her using scorched Earth tactics actually dont seem to gel with other records from the time. It actually seems that it was more a case of war weariness from the various factions than anything else that saw the Berber forces collapse. The Arabs were a unified fighting force whilst the Berbers were more a loose confederation and it eventually proved impossible to keep them together longterm.
The second one (which, also as noted isn't as far-fetched and fan-done as the Kahina-lions one) isn't completely what we got, the first one is also used for reference for her actual face and look...
Also, yes, Kahina would make a very interesting leader, personality-wise... I'm really hoping to see her.
Sorry if it was already mentioned but wasn't Kahina Algerian? Yeah, it looks like it has.
I think there's a chance it could be Abderrahmane (Abd al-Rahman), as under his rule of Morocco, he increased foreign trade with Europe, and trade is a big part of BNW.
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