Being gay is a choice.

[The_Tyrant]

You know, something I've never understood about homophobes (especially the straight male ones) is how they believe in this double standard:

"It is ok for women to be homosexual, but no ok for men."

A sin is a sin. Gay is gay, regardless of gender.

 

[AlpsStranger]

A sin is a sin. Gay is gay, regardless of gender.

Right, and that's why the religious whackjobs pursue all sins with equal fervor.

So Mitt Romney preaching a completely heretical gospel can simply be overlooked, but gay people must absolutely be persecuted, prosecuted, and maybe executed?

I'm pretty sure heresy trumps homosexuality.

Oh, but that's right, if you really took that stuff seriously you'd be too busy fighting Catholics, Arminians ( the real nutters are usually Calvinist ,) Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, Eastern Orthodox Christians, etc. You'd also be going after pornographers, but that's not good for getting votes for the big ol' fake @ss right-wing revival tent so you'll let that one slide. Instead it's much easier to just go down to the gay pride rally and boo with your second wife and the bastard child you had while cohabiting with your first wife.

 

[The_Tyrant]

Right, and that's why the religious whackjobs pursue all sins with equal fervor.

So Mitt Romney preaching a completely heretical gospel can simply be overlooked, but gay people must absolutely be persecuted, prosecuted, and maybe executed?

I'm pretty sure heresy trumps homosexuality.

What does Romney have to do with this? You want to bring faith into the presidential debate? I'm fine with that, and I'm sure Jeremiah Wright will enjoy the attention.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Don't most hardline Christians think that like ~80% of people throughout history are going to hell?

Define "hardline"

What's a few more at that point?

Because it effects how we interact with people in this life. Most people view original sin as a dark and depressing topic which Christianity would be much better off with, but when you truly understand original sin, and you truly understand Pelagianism, one has noble implications for how we react to others, and the other has worrisome implications.

If humans are naturally inclined towards sin, and are incapable of being faultless, in not only becomes proper but purely reasonable to forgive others transgressions against you. Being insulted, assaulted, threatened, etc. is a natural part of interacting with humans, so you cannot hate others for it, especially since you do it yourself. We turn the other cheek, because after all, the person sinning is only human.

By comparison, Pelagianism means everyone is accountable for every moral decision they make. If someone strikes you, it is because they made a deliberate choice towards evil. Now at that point, the rational aspects of the doctrine of universal love and forgiveness start to break down.

 

[Ailedhoo]

A sin is a sin. Gay is gay, regardless of gender.

Homosexuality is not a sin. Bigoty on the other hand is a sin.

 

[AlpsStranger]

What does Romney have to do with this? You want to bring faith into the presidential debate? I'm fine with that, and I'm sure Jeremiah Wright will enjoy the attention.

I'm not the one who wants to bring faith into anything. I'm tired of this hypocritical laser focus on gay people. It's complete crap . And don't give me any of that "I'm not perfect but I'm forgiven" jive.

People are using religion as a plausible cover to legislate their gut reaction to homosexuality. It's one of the last two or three groups that people can dump on to elevate themselves.

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Story.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I'm not the one who wants to bring faith into anything. I'm tired of this hypocritical laser focus on gay people. It's complete crap . And don't give me any of that "I'm not perfect but I'm forgiven" jive.

People are using religion as a plausible cover to legislate their gut reaction to homosexuality.

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Story.

This is also a good post.

 

[Ailedhoo]

I'm not the one who wants to bring faith into anything. I'm tired of this hypocritical laser focus on gay people. It's complete crap . And don't give me any of that "I'm not perfect but I'm forgiven" jive.

People are using religion as a plausible cover to legislate their gut reaction to homosexuality. It's one of the last two or three groups that people can dump on to elevate themselves.

End.

Of.

Story.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Because it effects how we interact with people in this life. Most people view original sin as a dark and depressing topic which Christianity would be much better off with, but when you truly understand original sin, and you truly understand Pelagianism, one has noble implications for how we react to others, and the other has worrisome implications.

If humans are naturally inclined towards sin, and are incapable of being faultless, in not only becomes proper but purely reasonable to forgive others transgressions against you. Being insulted, assaulted, threatened, etc. is a natural part of interacting with humans, so you cannot hate others for it, especially since you do it yourself. We turn the other cheek, because after all, the person sinning is only human.

By comparison, Pelagianism means everyone is accountable for every moral decision they make. If someone strikes you, it is because they made a deliberate choice towards evil. Now at that point, the rational aspects of the doctrine of universal love and forgiveness start to break down.

On the flipside it generally means that eternal torture with fire is a matter of scratching a winning lottery ticket. I'm pretty sure that's more dehumanizing.

 

[The_Tyrant]

Homosexuality is not a sin. Bigoty on the other hand is a sin.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination and shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 20: 13

Seems like the Bible is clear on homosexuality to me.

 

[ParkCungHee]

On the flipside it generally means that eternal torture with fire is a matter of scratching a winning lottery ticket.

Only if you're a Lutheran or a Calvinist. And I can't imagine why you'd want to be either of those.

Or, you know, if you believe in Hell.

 

[Ailedhoo]

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination and shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 20: 13

Seems like the Bible is clear on homosexuality to me.

The Bible also states slavery is A-OK.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Note: I am not attacking religion. I am attacking the fanatics like the Tyrant who use religion for bigotry.

 

[bathsheba666]

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination and shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 20: 13

Seems like the Bible is clear on homosexuality to me.

You know, of all the possible ideas about God you could go with, why identify with this twerp?

Hopefully, on His second coming (always assuming ), we can find a good therapist for Him, as He clearly has a lot of issues He needs to work through.

Perhaps we can persuade Him to sod off to some other multiverse for a few aeons, until He has evolved into a more sentient being.

 

[Arakhor]

People love to quote Leviticus and then when the other strictures (no polyester, no shellfish, no tattoos etc.) are mentioned, some woffle about Mosaic Law. Others just ignore the blatant inconsistency.

 

[Quackers]

It's called conservatism.

Nope, conservatism does believe in reasoned change if it can be proven that is it better then the present situation. They are naturally sceptical of efforts to make the world a better place, which is a good thing. Good intentions can sometimes have unintended negative consequences.

Now the left on the other hand are like a bull in a china shop. In every aspect of policy they believe in change, change, change - AKA change for the sake of it. Many good things in Britain have been destroyed because of this attitude.

Get it right

 

[Ailedhoo]

Nope, conservatism does believe in reasoned change if it can be proven that is it better then the present situation. They are naturally sceptical of efforts to make the world a better place, which is a good thing. Good intentions can sometimes have unintended negative consequences.

Now the left on the other hand are like a bull in a china shop. In every aspect of policy they believe in change, change, change - AKA change for the sake of it. Many good things in Britain have been destroyed because of this attitude.

Get it right

I check the Oxford definition of the word "conservative."

Definition of conservative
adjective
1averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values:

they were very conservative in their outlook(of dress or taste) sober and conventional:

a conservative suit2(in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas. (Conservative)
relating to the Conservative Party of Great Britain or a similar party elsewhere:
the Conservative government3(of an estimate) purposely low for the sake of caution:

police placed the value of the haul at a conservative £500,0004(of surgery or medical treatment) intended to control rather than eliminate a condition, with existing tissue preserved as far as possible. noun
1a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values:
he remains a conservative in constitutional matters2
(Conservative)
a supporter or member of the Conservative Party of Great Britain or a similar party elsewhere.

I also liked how you stated that only conseratives are of the Right and how generalise the left.

Also current destructive changes in Britian are currently being commited by hand of the Tories.

 

[Quackers]

See, "averse" a handy friend of "sceptical". Not "we reject all change" - we are just careful.

Anyway it would be appropriate for you to see the quote tailess was responding too.

 

[WindFish]

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination and shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 20: 13

Seems like the Bible is clear on homosexuality to me.

What if you reject the Old Testament like what I do?

Am I going to hell for being a bad Christian?

 

[Ailedhoo]

See, "averse" a handy friend of "sceptical". Not "we reject all change" - we are just careful.

Anyway it would be appropriate for you to see the quote tailess was responding too.

After a quick observation a quote entered my mind...

"An eye for eye will make the whole world blind." Ghandi.

 

[Arakhor]

What if you reject the Old Testament like what I do?

Am I going to hell for being a bad Christian?

Not if you don't believe in hell. We are each a servant of our fears and desires.