Bergs execution was faked by the CIA

[betazed]

So a headless body adds nothing to the discussion?

Are we discussing a headless body here? Or are we discussing a video? Get your thoughts straight. No one in this thread is discussing whether a headless body does or does not exist. Let me state it for you again.

What we are discussing is whether that particular video is fake?

What does a headless body prove? Can't you have a decapacitated body (where it happened in an accident) and then make a fake video of it? Or take a dead body and cut off its head and then pass off the video as the cutting off of a head of a live man? Are those impossible?

Please take a moment to think first before you post a diatribe.

 

[cgannon64]

Fool me once, shame on, uh, me, er, you, fool me - uh, fool me again, don't get fooled again.

 

[The Last Conformist]

@DP: I wasn't going to watch this, but my curiosity has been stoked - kindly PM me the link to the video?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I guess the CNN or BBC are the pillars of honesty also?

Wether this is true or not Pravda is on a whole different level of dishonesty to the point where they aren't held up to any standards. Everytime somone posts something from the mirror or Kim Jong Il's personal website and somone brings up the obvious credibility problems, CNN's honesty is brought up. There are some sources which are on a level far lower then CNN.

 

[Hazzard]

A headless body tells me those monsters beheaded Berg and paraded it before the camera. And everything does not lead to Bush - - - that’s the problem with the Left. They would see us destroyed to spite him - - - I'm no huge fan of the guy but I trust him more than Terry McCauliffe.

 

[yoshi74]

A headless body tells me those monsters beheaded Berg and paraded it before the camera.

You talk too much with headless bodies. Maybe the video can convince you, but a dead body says not much.

 

[Vanadorn]

No, a headless body tells you that a man died by having his head removed. That's all.

There is too much contoversy over our most recent weeks in the hell hole that is known as Iraq lately to accept anything that comes from that area of the world: wether the source is the Right, the Left, Iraqi terrorists, the Muslim Brigade, The Bush Spin Doctors, or Regula 7. We, as the public, have been fed too many lies and duplicities from all sides to accept anything at face value.

When you are looking at a video tape of a man being beheaded and it doesn't look 100% right, even though the man was sent home in two separte pieces to his family, it doesn't excuse the fact that the video doesn't look right. Especially when the presentation of said video happens to come at a time when it would do the most good for our beleagured government and their credibility.

The video seems off, and the timing is too convenient. Those are the facts and concerns being voiced by those who have suffered too many versions of "shock and awe" from the mideast theatre lately, and no longer want to fly off the handle in justifyalbe holy rage at the sight of another "fine young american losing his life in war on terror."

My 2 cents

 

[Hazzard]

To manufacture synthetic human skin is a trick not even mastered by Hollywood yet you believe these fine fellows have found the answer? And a headless body is what this is all about - - none of you care because reality clouds your hatred of the President.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

I noticed something else.
The last thing that i noticed was that the bunch of guys standing behind Berg looked pretty relaxed considering what they were about to do. One guy was shifting his weight from foot to foot. Simple body language tells me that guy is bored. Another changes his rifle from shoulder to shoulder and then shifts wieght. A third is looking this way or the other. Bored is hardly the state of mind you would be if you are about to behead another guy. But I could be wrong. Who knows? I can hardly imagine the frame of mind required to behead a man in the first place.

Actually those traits are most commonly attributed with nervousness, not boredom.

 

[betazed]

Actually those traits are most commonly attributed with nervousness, not boredom.

That is possible too.

 

[Vanadorn]

manufacture human skin? What version of the video did you see that you can feel 100% confident that it is not doctored in any way?

 

[JtheJackal]

People claim the Moon pictures don't "look" right, not looking right doesn't mean anything. If you guys think you can suddenly uncover a conspiricy with video that plenty of people have watched alot of those people experts on the subject that it is fake, well I really don't know what to say

 

[Evie]

People here aren't (for the most part) saying Nick Berg was not beheaded.

But, like it or not, the fact that he was beheaded reveals nothing about his death except that he died from having his head cut off.

Saying "the CIA beheaded Nick Berg" is perfectly consistant with your 'evidence' of a beheaded body. I don't believe it myself, but quit it with the headless body already - it doesn't disprove the theories being raised here in any way, form or shape.

 

[yoshi74]

originally posted by Hazzard:
To manufacture synthetic human skin is a trick not even mastered by Hollywood yet you believe these fine fellows have found the answer?

Considering the quality of the video hollywood masters the nessesary skill 50 years ago

none of you care because reality clouds you hatred of the President.

No, reality caused our hatred of the President.

 

[Hazzard]

"manufacture human skin? What version of the video did you see that you can feel 100% confident that it is not doctored in any way?"

Oh, probably watching two or three guys standing over a bound man whose head is cut off with a long knife as he screams.

 

[betazed]

Oh, probably watching two or three guys standing over a bound man whose head is cut off with a long knife as he screams.

Hmmm... Now I am not sure you have watched the video. It is not 2 or 3 guys. It is 5 guys; and Berg doesn't scream much. There is a muffled 2-3 secs of guttural sound (that is not consistent with the video timing).

BTW, that guttural sound may very well be the actual sound of what happens when a man's head is sawed off. I do not know (And I do not want to know).

But as to the point there are valid points to the video's authenticity; that's all.

 

[Vanadorn]

hazzard, how did you feel when the media first displayed the 4 bodies hacked up and burned on the overpasses of Iraq? How did you feel when the twin towers fell? How did you feel when the pictures from Al Jezeera were released of the children caught in the blasts? Of Waco? Columbine? Oklahoma? Madrid?

These images most likely raised some feeling of anger or shock or rightousness or some combination of the 3 within you. And they should, they should have, because it is right for anyone to feel that way after seeing these images. The media knows this, which is why these pictures will have a more lasting effect as oppoesed to a dozen speeches and a dozen news reports.

But when the story has become muddied, the facts greyed, the truth blurred, and the honor soiled, all sights of raw outrage tend to become suspect. Taken with a grain of salt. We are engaged in an unpopular conflict right now, sponsored by an unpopular president with unpopular ties and unpopular reasons. Our foes are unpopular, the country we are fighting in is unpopular, their former leader is unpopular. The handling of the war and the afterwar activities has been unpopular.

When everything about a subject is disliked, and there are no longer any redeeming values associated with it, the only way to get people to care about the subject again is with raw powerful imagery and emotions. And this video does that. What are the chances?

I feel for the Bergs. I am sorry for Nick and his tragic passing. I just no longer will swallow anything I see at face value if I don't believe it anymore. And in regards to the moon thing, the political and emotional climate of the world is alot different now then at the end of the 60's (yes, even counting Vietnam).

My 2 cents

 

[Double Barrel]

Interesting CON$piracy theory...I've been reading this stuff for the past several days, as I find the idea of secret agendas interesting from an entertainment perspective.

And while almost anything is possible, we must discern probability.

I think a group of thugs, on behalf of the Iraqi resistance and/or al-Quida, murdered Berg.

Sure, there are many discrepancies about his whereabouts, as well as questions regarding the video itself, but hey, this is war in a third world country that hates the west.

In light of the mass pandemonium of the occupation zone, as well as the intense hatred for westerners, I think discrepancies will exist around any given event.

 

[Hazzard]

"Hmmm... Now I am not sure you have watched the video. It is not 2 or 3 guys. It is 5 guys; and Berg doesn't scream much. There is a muffled 2-3 secs of guttural sound (that is not consistent with the video timing). "

I watched the horror -- as soon as I read this post, I downloaded it. It opened with the muffled screams of Nick Berg being held down by one man as another cut into his neck bone with a long knife.


"No, reality caused our hatred of the President."

Has reality also caused in you a hatred of bin Laden? And do you hate the men who cut off Nick Berg’s head? Would you if you believed it? Or is Bush still more dastardly? Is it also safe to say you hate the CIA or the GI’s who saved your country?

 

[Mr Black]

You people have been living in the internet too long.

Go to Iraq yourselves and investigate!!!