Murky
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The 14% tax rate is already bad enough for people who care about the issue.
Birthers vs Returners
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The 14% tax rate is already bad enough for people who care about the issue.
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America chose to embrace free trade and globalism. It is a choice we have to live with and it brought benefits and it also had costs. In order to thrive we must be competitive. To be competitive we have to be realistic and see that our tax structures have to work in a global economy. Business isn't evil, it is us. Capital isn't evil, it is the foundation of business.
And the economy isn't a fixed pie that we have to fight each other over. Its just dumb to desire a tax system that would make the country less competitive because it would make the economic pie smaller for all Americans, except the rich, who have the option to simply shift to more business friendly countries. All major American corporations are for all intents and purposes multinationals and so are wealthy people. Don't drive them off.
Free trade has knocked the world economy off balance. This was inevitable due to the vastly differing levels of living. Manufacturing was always going to shift to countries with low labor costs. It just happened faster than the economies of developed countries could adjust for. This is the core reason we have low growth and high unemployment. A crisis was always going to come. Politicians always fail to protect the people from the consequences of market cycles.
We need tax reform, but not for fairness. We need tax reform to allow our economy to recover and begin to grow. We have to create an environment that is attractive to business creation here. That will increase the economic pie domestically. Raising capital gains rates here will just mean that capital will be deployed elsewhere. That means fewer jobs here and more jobs out of the country.
This ain't complicated.
You don't think morality is important for electing a President?
As for giving money to the church, everyone knows that he gives them a pile of money (the Church requires him to pay them 10%). If the church is the reason to not release his tax returns it is far more likely that he didn't give enough and doesn't want to face sanctions and a rather large bill from them (and another point for social conservatives to question his faith and reliability).
I disagree. Reid doesn't stand to lose much if Romeny releases his tax returns and shows him to be wrong. He has four more years until his next election and everyone will forget about this long before then. And he stands to gain a few chips from Democrats for putting himself out there and creating even worse rumours around Romney.
That said, I could very well see Reid's source telling the turth, but having been lied to by Romney exaggerating his prowess to get their investment.
I can believe Romney told investors he did not pay taxes for 10 years and believe that he paid at a very low rate (below the 14% he released), but I do not believe he paid none.
Except for all of that "charitable giving" going to the Mormon Church likely won't help him with any demographic (except Mormons).
Showing massive amounts going to what many consider a cult is not going to be helpful.
I suspect the reason he does not release it is not some scandalous criminal activity, but instead, that it is shocking when you look at the tax return of a very wealthy individual and discover how little (relatively speaking) they can get away with paying in taxes, and how they can do it. The manner in which he can do this might look...unseemly.
The Obama Super PACs (not Obama himself, of course...) could have a field day with that info as it fits the theme of the day. I.e., rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer, look at how the 1% manipulate the system, et cetera.* Romney's whole game plan is that he is a job creating business God, and that bad economic numbers will eventually tank Obama's campaign. So under his political calculus, he loses more by releasing tax returns that will add fuel to Obama's nudge & wink campaign that Romney is simply a money hoarding outsourcing weirdo, as opposed to just taking the heat for not releasing them and relying on John McCain to assure us all that there is nothing to see here, move along.
*Not that Obama's economic policies (that is, Geithner's economic policies) have done wonders for the working class as opposed to being gifts to Wall Street CEOs, but I digress...
edit: looks like this was already said more or less... nothing to see here, move along!
Relying on the credibility of the same vetting process that gave us Sarah Palin seems like bad math.
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Nah if it leaks out Id moreso expect it from a former McCain vetter.
FriendlyFire
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No one from the IRS could prove Romney's tax status without losing their job and risking a prison sentence. Anyone doing so anonymously would not be believed.
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Birtherism is so yesterday. Today the focus is on the likelyhood that Obama's education at Columbia was funded because he attended the school as a foreign exchange student, that he failed to attend classes and complete his work because he was perpetually high, and that liberal friends with connections at the university fixed and manufactured his academic record.
Which is consistent with Obama's recent efforts to ensure that minorities students disclipline records in public schools be made equivalent to non minorities, by executive fiat.
Equality of outcome. End of merit.
Which is consistent with Obama's recent efforts to ensure that minorities students disclipline records in public schools be made equivalent to non minorities, by executive fiat.
Equality of outcome. End of merit.
So you're saying now that birtherism has been exposed as the desperate lie it was, you have to start making up new complaints about about Obama to keep up your indignation?
Sounds about right
Yep, the loonies have found a new hottie to keep their right wrist in shape. Never mind that Obama's Harvard Law grades indicate that he was a very competent student.
Askthepizzaguy
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Or the fact that when he talks, he sounds more articulate and wise than a sitting Senator and war veteran in his 70s.
Not a whole lot of slackers who get high all the time can do that.
Not a whole lot of slackers who get high all the time can do that.
To be quite honest I'd have no problem at all voting for someone who used recreational 'drugs'. I see no difference between that and alcohol.
I trust that far more than someone who believes in magic.
I trust that far more than someone who believes in magic.
Murky
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People voted for Bush even though he was an admitted alcoholic in recovery.
For many people, alcohol isn't a drug.
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Balls in your court Patroklos
Ummm, No. Your picture is irrelevant to what I stated unless it shows Reid has released his own tax returns.
