Black lives matter!

[Zkribbler]

...gently stopped and kindly punished.

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[illram]

Every country it seems has its own share of ridiculous movements. Personally I was under impression that White Lives Matter Too as well as Yellow Lives and Red Ones.

And here we have the brilliant convenience of the phrase.

Of course all lives matter. Pointing out that "black" lives matter specifically belies the underlying point that in some contexts in the US, such as police use of force black lives are apparently not worth as much--or not treated with the same caution--as white ones. So the focus of the phrase is a not so gentle reminder of the need to re-calibrate.

An affirmative action of phrases if you will. It's delightfully loaded.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Which is why it offends so many blacks when used by whites because it deflects attention from the real problem.

Black lives matter a great deal to the for-profit prison system in the US:

 

[BvBPL]

On the other hand, it seems like the only way people with so little power can get their voice heard in these days of "gated" political rallies is to seek whatever opportunities are even remotely available to them.

That seems unlikely given the mass of people who were aware of the organization before they burst in on Sanders.

Instead, it seems they are attempting to elevate the discussion to become a presidential matter. I don't recall if black lives matter or police-black relations were a topic for discussion at the Republican debates that just happened. Black lives matter started as a discussion between peers and communications focused on the general public. Now they want to raise so our next leaders are bringing it into the conversation.

Consider as well that they've chosen the candidate you call out as being likely their closest ally. They are raising the issue with the people who seem the most receptive to their movement which seems a wise use of resources. The response they got from the audience was likely much better than if they had taken the mic at a Trump rally.

 

[Commodore]

More info on police shootings would be a good thing.

I agree, but you are misunderstanding what the Black Lives Matter movement is asking for. It's not the info on shootings they want, they want the names and addresses of the officers involved. That disturbs me because what other reason could they have for wanting that information other than to exact some sort of revenge against those officers?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I agree, but you are misunderstanding what the Black Lives Matter movement is asking for. It's not the info on shootings they want, they want the names and addresses of the officers involved. That disturbs me because what other reason could they have for wanting that information other than to exact some sort of revenge against those officers?

How about to call attention to something that you notice if you keep track of these things...how often the officer involved in an incident with no evidence to call it bad but plenty of stink on it is the same officer that has done it before, maybe more than once. Reference the recent case in...hmmmm...somewhere in Michigan, maybe Ann Arbor...where the officer involved had been hired as an "experienced veteran" after having cost the Detroit PD millions of dollars in lawsuits multiple times.

EDIT: My bad. Not Ann Arbor, Inkster. Knowing how people are about police brutality (if there's no link you made it up because we know cops are really the good guys) here's a link. Notice that this guy is facing criminal charges for the first time, after TWELVE lawsuits regarding his "defending himself."

 

[illram]

I agree, but you are misunderstanding what the Black Lives Matter movement is asking for. It's not the info on shootings they want, they want the names and addresses of the officers involved.

The /demands page just says "names."

 

[classical_hero]

But from that you can get their addresses. This is what happened to Officer Wilson. They are not about justice but about retribution, even in the case when th officer is following the law, they want all cops who kill blacks to be killed themselves, even those who did so under the threat to their own lives. They have never been about justice, otherwise there demands would be totally different. I'm just wonder who are the political prisoners in jail right now? The demands just don't add up.

 

[Arwon]

And here we have the brilliant convenience of the phrase.

Of course all lives matter. Pointing out that "black" lives matter specifically belies the underlying point that in some contexts in the US, such as police use of force black lives are apparently not worth as much--or not treated with the same caution--as white ones. So the focus of the phrase is a not so gentle reminder of the need to re-calibrate.

An affirmative action of phrases if you will. It's delightfully loaded.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I agree, but you are misunderstanding what the Black Lives Matter movement is asking for. It's not the info on shootings they want, they want the names and addresses of the officers involved. That disturbs me because what other reason could they have for wanting that information other than to exact some sort of revenge against those officers?

Why shouldn't it be public knowledge when a police officer executes an unarmed person? After all, the name of the victim is spread all over the media without his permission or that of his relatives. Their demands already listed in this thread also make no mention of addresses.

Texas police officer fired for killing unarmed college football player

Brad Miller also could face criminal charges in the shooting of 19-year-old Christian Taylor after a suspected burglary at a car dealership.

ARLINGTON, Texas — A police officer who killed an unarmed college football player during a suspected burglary at a Texas car dealership was fired Tuesday for making mistakes that the city’s police chief said caused a deadly confrontation that put him and other officers in danger.

Arlington officer Brad Miller, 49, could also face criminal charges once police complete their investigation, said Police Chief Will Johnson.a car dealership.

Called to the scene of a suspected burglary early Friday morning, Miller pursued 19-year-old Christian Taylor through the broken glass doors of a car dealership showroom without telling his supervising officer, Johnson said.

Instead of helping to set up a perimeter around the showroom, Miller confronted Taylor and ordered him to get down on the ground, Johnson said. Taylor did not comply. Instead, he began “actively advancing toward Officer Miller,” Johnson said.

Miller’s field training officer, who had followed Miller into the showroom, drew his own Taser. The training officer heard a single pop of what he thought was Miller’s Taser, but Miller actually had drawn his service weapon and fired it at Taylor, who is believed to have been 7 to 10 feet away from the officer, Johnson said. After Taylor continued to approach, Miller fired his gun three more times.

“This is an extraordinarily difficult case,” Johnson said. “Decisions were made that have catastrophic outcomes.”

An attorney for Miller did not have an immediate comment on Johnson’s announcement. Taylor’s family did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Miller’s firing.

Taylor’s death came two days before the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed, black 18-year-old who was fatally shot by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

Taylor, who was black, was a graduate of an Arlington high school and a football player at Angelo State University in West Texas. Miller is white.

There is no video of the shooting, though security camera footage from Classic Buick GMC dealership’s parking lots shows Taylor walking around and damaging some vehicles.

Before his final confrontation with Miller, Taylor allegedly held up a set of car keys and told another officer that he intended to steal a car, Johnson said. He had driven a vehicle through the glass front doors of the showroom and, after officers arrived, was slamming his body into the side of a different part of the building to try to escape, the chief said.

“It is clear from the facts obtained that Mr. Taylor was non-compliant with police demands,” Johnson said.

But the chief said he ultimately decided Miller’s mistakes required his firing. While he said he had “serious concerns” about Miller’s use of deadly force, Johnson said it would be up to a grand jury to decide whether Miller’s actions were criminal.

Miller joined the police department in September and graduated from the city police academy earlier this year.

He was still undergoing field training and assigned to a more senior officer, though he was a licensed police officer authorized to carry a weapon. Police have previously said that he had never fired his weapon in the line of duty before.

But Johnson stressed that officers in training “have the skills, the decision-making process, the authority” to act correctly in the field.

Police said Miller cannot appeal his firing because he was a probationary employee.

While the FBI’s Dallas field office said Monday that it was deferring any investigation to local authorities, Johnson said he was in contact with FBI officials about the case.

“Although the investigation is not over, my hope is that the information shared today can assist in the healing process,” Johnson said. “Some communities and our nation have been torn apart by similar challenges.”

Sound familiar with the execution of Michael Brown? The only real difference is that there was a witness who drew his TASER instead of killing him in a fusillade of bullets. A witness who actually told the truth about what really occurred even though he could have easily lied and covered it all up.

 

[danjuno]

I am absolutely speechless after that tantrum those OA206 people threw at the rally. They were literally screaming at this guy who who was trying to keep control of the mike. Props to him and Bernie Sanders for staying cool with these clowns screaming in their faces.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Good thing it wasn't a Republican rally. There would have likely been numerous deaths after the Oath Keepers intervened to maintain proper order.

 

[Commodore]

Sound familiar with the execution of Michael Brown?

Correction: Michael Brown wasn't executed. Officer Darren Wilson was defending himself from a violent criminal who had every intention of murdering Officer Darren Wilson. That is the truth of the matter no matter how much your political and social agenda doesn't want it to be.

 

[illram]

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Yeah that sums it up perfectly.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Correction: Michael Brown wasn't executed. Officer Darren Wilson was defending himself from a violent criminal who had every intention of murdering Officer Darren Wilson. That is the truth of the matter no matter how much your political and social agenda doesn't want it to be.

Just like the person above wasn't executed by an overzealous cop supposedly fearing for his own life.

We have no idea whatsoever what actually occurred. All we have are apparently conflicting accounts from various eyewitnesses which haven't even been publicly released. And we likely will never know what they said unless Brown is charged with a crime.

Despite all this all police officers in Ferguson still don't have body cameras, much less reviewed by an independent agency.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Correction: Michael Brown wasn't executed. Officer Darren Wilson was defending himself from a violent criminal who had every intention of murdering Officer Darren Wilson. That is the truth of the matter no matter how much your political and social agenda doesn't want it to be.

The truth seldom boils down so neatly.

Officer Wilson either failed to follow standard procedures in approaching a suspect or his department lacks appropriate procedures. His (or the department's) failures led to a confrontation that never should have happened, which had fatal consequences for an unarmed teenager. The only thing that makes the outcome acceptable to the department and the local prosecutor is that the dead suspect could be portrayed as a thug so no citizens "that matter" are concerned about his demise.

That summary is just as true as yours, no matter how much your political and social agenda doesn't want it to be.

 

[Commodore]

Just like the person above wasn't executed by an overzealous cop supposedly fearing for his own life.

We have no idea whatsoever what actually occurred. All we have are apparently conflicting accounts from various eyewitnesses which haven't even been publicly released. And we likely will never know what they said unless Brown is charged with a crime.

No there is also forensic evidence that corroborates a sizable portion of Officer Wilson's story, making his version of the events the most likely scenario, even if he wasn't telling the complete truth.

Plus I just don't feel bad at all for criminals who get shot, even if that shooting wasn't justified. I just read a story yesterday about a white teen who was just shot dead by police because he didn't comply with their orders and tried to run them over with his car. Do I feel bad for him? No I do not, because he was a criminal.

As for the case you quoted with that article: Again, there was footage of him committing a crime and he was non-compliant with police orders. Does that warrant a death sentence? No it doesn't. But at the same time, I really don't care about the fate of known criminals. Basically, if you commit a crime and the police end up shooting you over it, sorry about your luck, but if you didn't want the chance of getting shot by police then you probably shouldn't have engaged in whatever criminal activity you were engaged in.

 

[aelf]

In orderly nation, say Singapore, hooligans would be gently stopped and kindly punished.

Hey, why don't you come here and help out, then? The ruling party is slowly losing support, and they need people like you to come and vote for them so they can maintain their iron grip on society without destroying economic growth entirely.

Forget Russia - that place is so hopelessly backward and inefficient. Come to Singapore, the paragon of efficient elite rule.

 

[Antilogic]

Yup, it ain't a comic book anymore.

 

[Formaldehyde]

No there is also forensic evidence that corroborates a sizable portion of Officer Wilson's story, making his version of the events the most likely scenario, even if he wasn't telling the complete truth.

Supposed evidence which we also have no access, nor will we likely ever see unless he is charged with a crime. This is exactly why he should have been charged since there is apparently enough evidence to show it may have been a crime. But, instead, the prosecutor deliberately used his influence to convince the grand jury to vote otherwise.

Plus I just don't feel bad at all for criminals who get shot, even if that shooting wasn't justified. I just read a story yesterday about a white teen who was just shot dead by police because he didn't comply with their orders and tried to run them over with his car. Do I feel bad for him? No I do not, because he was a criminal.

Ah. The old "tried to run me over with a car" excuse.

South Carolina officer shoots unarmed white teen during pot bust

If the cop isn't completely stupid this is literally impossible to accomplish. This is particularly true with some Mickey Mouse bust like a pot sale. They had his license tag so they knew exactly where to find the kid even if he did successfully flee, which the independent investigation claims he wasn't even trying to do when shot in the back of the head.

As for the case you quoted with that article: Again, there was footage of him committing a crime and he was non-compliant with police orders. Does that warrant a death sentence? No it doesn't. But at the same time, I really don't care about the fate of known criminals. Basically, if you commit a crime and the police end up shooting you over it, sorry about your luck, but if you didn't want the chance of getting shot by police then you probably shouldn't have engaged in whatever criminal activity you were engaged in.

Trashing a few cars at a dealership is hardly any sort of excuse to execute someone. This is even true if the "perp" is a scary looking black football player. Fortunately, the training officer in this particular case has a conscience that didn't allow him to lie and cover it up, as usual.