Bob Dylan & Tom Petty.

[aimeeandbeatles]

Perhaps someone should make a thread to split off general Dylan discussion? Hello anyone? Moderators?

If anyone wants to read more, I have articles on my site. Newspaper ones. I don't have any recommendations for right now. But they're all chronological order and I also categorized the types. Not all about the tour but plenty enough.
http://thepettyarchives.squareserve.org/newspaper/newspapers-1986/

 

[Narz]

I will make an interesting observation. More than once, music critics have mentioned that Petty's mini-sets (during the shows, Dylan would go off-stage and let Petty do a few songs) were better than Dylan's. Although I wonder if they're saying that just to get a reaction

Personally I like Petty & think Dylan is overrated (with a terrible voice though his music/style is catchy).

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Personally I like Petty & think Dylan is overrated (with a terrible voice though his music/style is catchy).

I have a few versions of Petty doing Dylan cover songs. And all I can say is wow I can make out the words.

I recall George Harrison mentioning in a documentary that Dylan and Petty's voices sounded good together... I'm gonna have to pull it out to see exactly what he said, but I recall something about Petty being "whiny" Although to be honest, I get confused when people say Petty sounds like Dylan -- I dont hear the resemblance except in a few tracks

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Very much coincidental that I had the right folder open. So here's what G.H. had to say:

He was the perfect backup band for Bob, because Tom, he's got this great sound, it's like, this slur, that kind of twangy sound to the voice and the slur that there is ... a whiny kind of sound ... and that fits in so good with Bob. There's something that's very similar about the sound or the attitude of Tom.

Thats verbatim transcribe well I added puncuation

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Hi, everybody: I'm not a moderator anymore, so this should be taken as a plea from a person who lobbied hard for this forum, and who used to referee threads such as this.

Aimee tried to find a topic that more people would be interested in. That's good. I see some good replies, and that's great.

But... Aimee, a little suggestion? Let people talk about Bob Dylan a little, as long as the conversation is generally about his association with Tom Petty (and vice-versa; this thread is not about only Tom Petty - it should be about BOTH musicians and the time they spent together).

Anybody who posts just to complain about "one more Tom Petty thread"... please just go away. Find another thread. Nobody is forcing you to read this one.

Any problems? Either report the post, or PM the moderator(s). Those are (I believe) Plotinus and Atticus.

 

[azzaman333]

I never liked Bob Dylan. His voice irritates me.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Hi, everybody: I'm not a moderator anymore, so this should be taken as a plea from a person who lobbied hard for this forum, and who used to referee threads such as this.

Aimee tried to find a topic that more people would be interested in. That's good. I see some good replies, and that's great.

But... Aimee, a little suggestion? Let people talk about Bob Dylan a little, as long as the conversation is generally about his association with Tom Petty (and vice-versa; this thread is not about only Tom Petty - it should be about BOTH musicians and the time they spent together).

Anybody who posts just to complain about "one more Tom Petty thread"... please just go away. Find another thread. Nobody is forcing you to read this one.

Any problems? Either report the post, or PM the moderator(s). Those are (I believe) Plotinus and Atticus.

This.

Moderator Action: I've removed the RD icon, since we aren't doing it outside of OT. I've also deleted the unhelpful posts thru out the thread. And pls stop bickering over whether this is a TP thread or that people are posting about Bob Dylan, thanks.

 

[nonconformist]

Personally I like Petty & think Dylan is overrated (with a terrible voice though his music/style is catchy).

I disagree, I think./

Sure Dylan had a pretty awful voice, but that was ppart of the charm; that you didn't need a classically "good" voice, if the music, and the message were good. Some of his lyrics are inspired (others sound like he basically sat there and thought 'what rhymes with hat? Oh, siamese cat!"). The feeling Dylan put into his songs was icnredible; Hurricane seethes with anger, while one of the greatest live songs I ever heard was Dylan's famous version of Like a Rolling Stone, (the "Judas" one....."play it loud")

PEtty's voice was equally whiney and unlikeable, but without the feeling.

The other thing is Dylan transcended many genres, folk, rock, prog, whereas all of Petty's stuff sounds the same to me.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

The other thing is Dylan transcended many genres, folk, rock, prog, whereas all of Petty's stuff sounds the same to me.

Not past Greatest Hits, then, I see. That's all I've got to say.

Even Let Me Up's pretty versatile.... I mean there's a quite definite split. On one part, there's Mike Campbell's stuff, the really produced stuff -- "Runaway Trains" for example (which I've been told sounds a lot like "Boys of Summer," a Don Henley song that Campbell wrote.) And on the other side, is Petty's stuff, raw and unadulterated. Really, this album could be considered one of the purest Heartbreakers albums. No outsiders.

BTW, here's the 1985 Farm Aid setlist I've got All video

Farm Aid I | September 22, 1985 | Champaign, Illinois | Memorial Stadium

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
- Bye Bye Johnny
- Don't Bring Me Down
- Straight Into Darkness
- Refugee

Bob Dylan+Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
- Shake ?
- I'll Remember You
- Trust Yourself
- Maggie's Farm

You know, I may consider lifting my YouTube hiatus if anyone can make to me a convincing case....... But heres a sample from Pettys set


Link to video.

 

[SuperJay]

Not past Greatest Hits, then, I see. That's all I've got to say.

No, I agree - Bob Dylan's composed music in a variety of genres; Petty is mostly rock-oriented with some influences from other genres. It's interesting that they found common ground, though.

(BTW, if you really want to continue discussing Petty, writing things like "that's all I've got to say" isn't likely to help your threads. Discussion means responding to one another and addressing each other's posts, not just dismissing what people say because you don't like their opinion.)

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

No, I agree - Bob Dylan's composed music in a variety of genres; Petty is mostly rock-oriented with some influences from other genres. It's interesting that they found common ground, though.

(BTW, if you really want to continue discussing Petty, writing things like "that's all I've got to say" isn't likely to help your threads. Discussion means responding to one another and addressing each other's posts, not just dismissing what people say because you don't like their opinion.)

No, I'm saying Petty's pretty versatile. I mean, listen to a song like ... I dunno, "It'll All Work Out." And then listen to "Come On Down To My House." They're completely different ends of the spectrum. Petty and the Heartbreakers are a rock 'n' roll band but they're versatile.

By the way I have this. Tom is hot! Yes I am a fangirl when it calls for it

Spoiler :

 

[holy king]

a rock balad and a classic rock song arent particularly different genres.
every freaking rock band has balads.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

a rock balad and a classic rock song arent particularly different genres.
every freaking rock band has balads.

With a Japanese koto?

And "Come On Down To My House" is about the closest TP&HB have gotten to .... that genre with all the screaming and crashing of drums and stuff.

 

[_random_]

With a Japanese koto?

And "Come On Down To My House" is about the closest TP&HB have gotten to .... that genre with all the screaming and crashing of drums and stuff.

Metal? It's a nice song, but it doesn't sound particularly metal to me. Seems like fairly typical Petty. Dylan, on the other hand, put Desolation Row and Highway 61 Revisited on the same album.

 

[SuperJay]

No, I'm saying Petty's pretty versatile. I mean, listen to a song like ... I dunno, "It'll All Work Out." And then listen to "Come On Down To My House." They're completely different ends of the spectrum. Petty and the Heartbreakers are a rock 'n' roll band but they're versatile.

Nobody's saying that Petty can't be versatile, but you're agreeing with me when you say he's a rock & roll artist. Are you familiar with Bob Dylan's output? He can't really be classified the same way. His songs explore a number of different genres, from folk to blues to country to rock. I know you're intimately familiar with Petty, but this is another situation where spending some time listening to someone else's music might help you understand the context we're referring to.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Come On Down To My House
Date Performance: 1993, Running Time: 3:06
Comments: Recorded at: Ocean Way, Hollywood, CA. Mixed at: Johnny Yuma Recordings, Burbank, CA "Oh right, real fast," Stan says when asked about this outtake from the last days. "We were doing that as an encore song on the last tour I did with them. That's a road song." "That was one of four songs I wrote at a rehearsal just before we went on tour," Petty says. "Then we played all four on that tour. There was 'Driving Down to Georgia,' 'Lost Without You,' 'You Get Me High' and 'Come on Down to My House.'" "I was just trying to do something a little wilder than we'd been doing," Tom explains. "I'd just heard Nirvana and was taken over by that. I thought, 'Damn, we've really got to catch up to this [crap]! It just floored me, I thought it was the first significant thing I'd heard in a decade and it really did straighten out a lot of us older guys. Really threatened us, kicked us in the [behind]. I thought, 'Yeah, let's just try letting it go and see what happens.'"

 

[_random_]

Nirvana was grunge, not metal. And while the song was admittedly a bit heavier than I'd expect from Petty, it wasn't grunge. Most successful artists will explore the boundaries of their genre. Hell, The Devil Wears Prada did a piano ballad. Few have done so as well as Dylan.

 

[sophie]

aimee, please stop ignoring everyone else's contributions to this thread. You say you want some discussion, and yet you immediately throw out everything everyone else says and instead continue to spam more of your Petty research. I agree with Superjay, Petty is nowhere near as versatile as Bob Dylan. Petty's work was generally standard 70s rock fare, with maybe a little bit of country or blue here and there. Bob Dylan has done many different distinctive genres of music. The difference is that, while Petty may do a rock song with a hint of country, Bob Dylan has done music that is purely country, or purely rock, or purely folk, or in some cases, an amalgam of all three.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I am going to post something interesting.

"Tom Petty threw a tantrum in the band's kosher hotel on Shabbat because the bandleader couldn't have bacon and eggs."

I also forgot to mention this which is interesting. Its from 1990 though.

 

[Abaddon]

aimee, please stop ignoring everyone else's contributions to this thread. You say you want some discussion, and yet you immediately throw out everything everyone else says and instead continue to spam more of your Petty research.

Why do we even bother?

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Which Bob Album should I download if I were to download just one?

Moderator Action: Sorry.

Via iTunes legally! Hence the "just one"