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As usual, you are making a false equivalence. Since I assume you are doing it on purpose I won't bother explaining it to you. Just wanted you to know that it isn't working.

I already pointed out that just by participating in the open nepotism that Trump has brought to the executive branch she is very clearly involved in "destroying Democracy." I was only providing a specific policy because you seemingly asked for a specific policy.

Had Bobby Kennedy's only qualification been the fact that he was the President's brother, yeah, it would have been. But that was not his only qualification. That's the same kind of false equivalence that Berzerker tried, and I expect better of you than from him.

I'm not making any equivalency, thats your straw man. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Democrats complaining about nepotism. I see nothing equivalent about the roles of Ivanka and Hillary in their respective administrations. Trump didn't put her in charge of 'reforming' health care.
 
8 pages of discussion and my main take away from this was her real mistake was saying the word in the wrong accent.
 
You're right, Hillary and Ivanka are not equivalent. Hillary was the First Lady, a real position of minor import, with a history of minor import. Her doing things was expected and normal. Ivanka, on the other hand, is just a random daughter of a political figure who has somehow inserted herself into the actual governing part of the government where she has no business being. This would be true of any offspring of a political figure in a democracy, but is especially true of Ivanka because of her flagrant violation of the Emoluments Clause and general lack of any qualifications or competency.

It's really not that hard to suss out.
 
Nancy Reagan was put in charge of the entire presidency.
 
I'm not making any equivalency, thats your straw man. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Democrats complaining about nepotism. I see nothing equivalent about the roles of Ivanka and Hillary in their respective administrations. Trump didn't put her in charge of 'reforming' health care.

If you are too stupid to find the false equivalence yourself, ask a third time.
 
Yeah it is.
No, it isn't. I detest Ivanka Trump, but it's not okay to use that word.

Lol you're going to have to be specific
Since it's considered vulgar to some demographics, I would not want to cause any negative reactions on the parts of the Australian/New Zealand-based members here (I'm unsure if the offending word is a problem for New Zealand folks).

The only thing that's leaping to mind that would be more offensive down there is "fanny", but that can't be it because that's not really a sexual term from the American point of view.
1. I'm not American.
2. The word is not "fanny."
3. "Fanny" has two connotations for Canadians: One's backside, and it's an old-fashioned woman's name that I would be very surprised if anyone uses nowadays, given the other connotations.

I take it you didn't actually read that link then?
I read it; the word is not on that list.

Erm.... "First Lady"?
Ivanka Trump is not married to her father. Melania Trump is married to him. Therefore, since Melania is not incapacitated, she should be the one carrying out the duties of the First Lady. Ivanka should not be doing that.

Well from what Valka said it would have to be a "sexual term" from a North American point of view, which I don't think any of those are (although I'm surprised bugger isn't to be honest).

Also I can't believe Australians don't use "bugger" in the same way because I'm sure I've heard it. I didn't even think Americans said it at all. And I really can't imagine anyone other than a nun blushing at "bum".
I said it was a sexual term from the Australian point of view. From the North American point of view it's a completely harmless word with no sexual connotation whatsoever (that I'm aware of; who knows what urban/internet slang has come up with in the last couple of decades).

The only clearly Ivanka driven policy position was the child care credit she wanted in the tax bill. You know, the one where she would get reimbursed for all her nanny expenses, and Trump himself would be paid back the cost of Barron's floor in the Trump Tower and the five person staff that maintains it.
The kid needs a whole floor and 5 staff?

One to cook, two to clean, and two whose job it is to polish all the gold fixtures, I guess.

If she was just an advisor, that would still be hugely problematic given her utter lack of qualifications for giving advice, but I mean it's normal to ask family members for advice.

But she's not. She's representing the U.S. in an official capacity. She participated in opening the embassy in Jerusalem, for example. She is often present at official meetings with high level foreign dignitaries.
She posted a photo taken in the Oval Office, of herself seated in the president's chair, flanked by Trump on one side and Justin Trudeau on the other. It didn't go over well in Canada, for a variety of reasons, both from Trudeau-haters and from those of us who think she hasn't earned the right to sit in that chair even for a cutesy photo-op.



Oh man, someone using genitalia-based insults. What a dick move. It's always okay to call someone an idiot if they're being one, and that applies across all insulting words, including this one.
:rolleyes:

FYI, the only context in which I have ever used the word "dick/Dick" has been when referring to a male by his name, ie. Dick Sargent, Dick York, or the phrase "Tom, Dick, and Harry".

I have never used it to refer to male genitalia or as a pejorative term.

You might extend the same courtesy to women with the c-word.
 
Automatic weapons?
 
<shrugs> Is anybody fussed with the content of the monologue elsewise? I think you're on a different page when it comes to what the issue is. That's fine, I'm not on the same page all the time. But seriously, I don't think anyone cares about the content all that much to make it discussion worthy news. Ivanka Trump is pretty clearly fair game for criticism, she's participating instead of keeping her head low. Criticism is necessary*. The issue is the slur. Now, you might not find the issue compelling, but not appreciating a subject doesn't mean it is without value.

*Though that doesn't mean all of it is of positive value, by definition, either.

I was of course stating my own personal opinion here ;-) I nevertheless hold that this personalization of politics is not a good thing.

I think this is a pretty big leap. There is not the slightest question that I peruse and post on CFC/OT as an entertainment. What does that say about the state of USian democracy? Frankly, nothing. I would cheerfully participate in an entire evening worth of discussion, over beers, regarding the semantics of this or any other word, swear or otherwise, as an entertainment. This also says nothing about the state of USian democracy. Not everything has to be a partisan gathering of the clans for battle to the death in order to assure the continuance of democracy.

There are more than two sides to each topic. It‘s interesting that you instantly call a discussion on the content partisan. It needn‘t be. Maybe I‘m just used too much to civil discourse resulting in a compromise? While the tone has become harsher even here, we do still discuss the details of a proposed law and that is what Democracy is about for me.

But I‘m getting off topic
 
Automatic weapons?
Like a bunch of morons responding to that tweet, you too fail at reading comprehension.

The exact nature of the configuration of the guns used to regularly murder children in the US is completely immaterial to the fact that kids are regularly being murdered.

You know this. Why the hell am I bothering to spell it out for you?
 
I'm not making any equivalency, thats your straw man. I'm just laughing at the hypocrisy of Democrats complaining about nepotism. I see nothing equivalent about the roles of Ivanka and Hillary in their respective administrations. Trump didn't put her in charge of 'reforming' health care.

Did Hillary have a permanent top security clearance, granted by explicit order of the president and not through proper FBI channels? Unless she did, there is no hypocrisy.

The issue isn't that Ivanka is doing stuff, it's that she has full access to state secrets independent of anything her father might tell her, zero experience in proper handling and use of state secrets, and zero accountability for anything she does with them.

Hillary was charged with producing something that had to pass Congress. It didn't involve anything classified, let alone top secret, and as you recall both her and Bill were fully accountable to the public for the end result. The two situations simply aren't comparable, so please come up with a better response than this silly whataboutism (Narrator: he didn't come up with a better response than silly whataboutism).
 
I'm curious as to why Samantha Bee apologised. Who does that apology satisfy? What purpose does it serve? Is it just a performance of moral superiority over Trumpians? I don't get it.
 
Like a bunch of morons responding to that tweet, you too fail at reading comprehension.

The exact nature of the configuration of the guns used to regularly murder children in the US is completely immaterial to the fact that kids are regularly being murdered.

You know this. Why the hell am I bothering to spell it out for you?
Because that person clearly has no idea what he's talking about and just made that tweet for cheap upvotes.

Plus, does he really suggest that Americans are not also offended by children being shot by guns of any kind? How intellectually challenged would that person have to be if he truly believed that?

It's silly in every regard.
 
I'm curious as to why Samantha Bee apologised. Who does that apology satisfy? What purpose does it serve? Is it just a performance of moral superiority over Trumpians? I don't get it.

I was really disappointed that she apologized. I guess it satisfies executives who threatened to cancel her show if she didn't do it?
 
@Tigranes do you really care?

I really do, that's why I opened this thread. I detest social media, don't own twitter or facebook account, and never understand the urge of the people to daily comment on anything that happened that day. If you spend too much of your life analyzing others it shows you don't have much life. But sometimes something really vile happens and one can't help but to protest at least here, on gaming forums.

The truth is -- your words define you. Any insult you utter describe you, the offender, the user of the vulgar slur, not the target of your insults. You call immigrants animals -- you define yourself as an animal. You call an innocent person a racist -- you define yourself as reverse racist. You call another woman c-word -- you define yourself, you lower the bar beyond Marianas Trench, you hurt the cause of immigrants, you insult the taste and values of your audience, and you give an ammunition to the very people you fight against -- who can now say: look, double standards! The other side is as bad as they say we are.

The worst form of evil is not the obvious evil. It's moral relativism and the opinion that -- "nothing is really good or bad". Nothing really matters. Who cares, blah, blah, blah. Evil by itself cannot accomplish much, but with the help of the appalling attitude I am witnessing at this very forums, at this very place, which of course has very limited representation and diversity -- but still -- this kind of attitude and reaction truly allows all the bad things to propagate and prevail. This is something beyond sad and disappointing, it is alarming.

c-word is absolutely the most vile and sacrilegious thing you can say about any female human being :thumbsdown:. It is not a vulgar term for any vagina, far from it. It alludes to the particular organ which was not taken care of in months, is in the state of complete neglect and emits profound stench, and your entire humanity and femininity is reduced to this description. It is absolutely sacrilegious and offends all women when used in public. It should be only reserved for the bedroom, between consenting adults, to spice up the feeling of intense intimacy and, for some, enhance psychological aspect of the sexual impulse. Married mother of 3 Samantha Bee is welcome to reverberate this word while with actor Jason Jones, in their bedroom, but not on cable, in front of spectator public and against another married mother of 3, regardless of her status or what her politics is.
 
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There are more than two sides to each topic. It‘s interesting that you instantly call a discussion on the content partisan. It needn‘t be. Maybe I‘m just used too much to civil discourse resulting in a compromise? While the tone has become harsher even here, we do still discuss the details of a proposed law and that is what Democracy is about for me.

But I‘m getting off topic

Getting off topic is probably cool, since as you said the topic for seven pages has basically been derivation and usage of a swear word and that could reasonably be described as beaten to death.

I'm curious where I called a discussion on the content partisan? It would almost certainly be partisan, since the OP basically brought us the number one hot topic from the giant echo chambers of the right, but my reference to the gathering of the partisan clans was in a much different context that I thought was clear. Let me try again.

This is a forum. It's a forum which, at root, sprang from a computer game. I don't come here "for the education," nor do I come here for the opportunity to work out a path to political compromise in hopes that it will spread to the nation at large. I find these ideas grandiose, maybe even absurdly so. We went off on the tangent about the word instead of the content because it was more fun than just letting our handful of right wing shills drag us into their endless false equivalency games.
 
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