Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[codepoet]

I think so, but Sioux still got almost as many as all of the remaining NA tribes combined.

I'd attribute that to the fact that they've been represented in the series before.

 

[Gucumatz]

I think so, but Sioux still got almost as many as all of the remaining NA tribes combined.

While not separating them to see how many each of the major would get individually. :rollseyes: Doesn't change the fact that the Sioux are heavily criticized here and at the 2K boards

We have seen with Civ 5 Firaxis wanted to avoid the nomadic and largely non-deserving Sioux in favour of the Iroquois and attempted Pueblo. Wouldn't be surprised if they were left out again

 

[cybrxkhan]

I think you misread my post. In GK we had only 2 civs not connected to scenarios somehow (Maya and Carthage). In every scenario since Civ 3 most of the expansion civs played a role in scenarios

Oh yeah, I misread that.

Anyhow to answer your original question if you think about it there are only two scenarios this time around. One, the American Civil War one, can't provide a lot of civs - outside the Union and Confederacy - as they limited its scope to the area around Virginia and Maryland. The other, the Scramble for Africa, though, could use more civs, but given the size and diversity of Africa I guess it would have been odd (and maybe arbitrary) if half the civs were full civs in the normal game while half were just scenario-specific civs. Not to mention there would have probably needed more civs than there would be int he expansion.

 

[ImperialChaos]

While not separating them to see how many each of the major would get individually. :rollseyes: Doesn't change the fact that the Sioux are heavily criticized here and at the 2K boards

We have seen with Civ 5 Firaxis wanted to avoid the nomadic and largely non-deserving Sioux in favour of the Iroquois and attempted Pueblo. Wouldn't be surprised if they were left out again

I wouldn't mind the Pueblo. Even the Navajo still have a chance.

Again, I don't understand why they would put an entire new Civilization's UU randomly in a map with no attempt to hid it. Even the Impi were hidden when the Zulu were announced AFAIK.

 

[codepoet]

Navajo don't fit the remaining slots in the achievement list: Portgual->

 

[cybrxkhan]

While not separating them to see how many each of the major would get individually. :rollseyes: Doesn't change the fact that the Sioux are heavily criticized here and at the 2K boards

We have seen with Civ 5 Firaxis wanted to avoid the nomadic and largely non-deserving Sioux in favour of the Iroquois and attempted Pueblo. Wouldn't be surprised if they were left out again

Indeed, I don't think the chances of the Sioux are as high as everyone would think. There's really nothing to indicate that they would be in other than the fact that they were a civ in Civ2.

 

[Gucumatz]

Occam's Razor, because they aren't a UU

It makes 0 sense for a UU that appears as a barbarian. Its not fun from a player perspective if you know which civ is raiding you. Secondly plausible deniability becomes useless then in multiplayer, Firaxis finally hired a multiplayer team for Brave New World - it makes 0 sense to alienate the multiplayer community even more with a useless unit and a slap in the face.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Navajo don't fit the remaining slots in the achievement list: Portgual->

Ahh crap. You're right.

Occam's Razor, because they aren't a UU

It makes 0 sense for a UU that appears as a barbarian. Its not fun from a player perspective if you know which civ is raiding you. Secondly plausible deniability becomes useless then in multiplayer, Firaxis finally hired a multiplayer team for Brave New World - it makes 0 sense to alienate the multiplayer community even more with a useless unit and a slap in the face.

I agree. I don't think this tomahawk unit rules out the western/plains tribes yet.

 

[Peasley]

I wouldn't mind the Pueblo. Even the Navajo still have a chance.

Again, I don't understand why they would put an entire new Civilization's UU randomly in a map with no attempt to hid it. Even the Impi were hidden when the Zulu were announced AFAIK.

We won't get the Navajo or Anasazi, unfortunately - they come before Poland alphabetically. There's still technically a chance for Pope-less Pueblo.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

Anyone else think we can see another African civ? We only have Portugal and Morocco connecting to the scenario from this expansion at the minute

Don't forget the Zulu

 

[Gucumatz]

Thank you Tsar , I forgot the most obvious one lol. Still, only 3 civs for the scenario is very little

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

Thank you Tsar , I forgot the most obvious one lol. Still, only 3 civs for the scenario is very little

True but they only make like 2 scenarios per expansion and I'm not sure how you could connect Brazil, Indonesia, Assyria, etc. without doing a huge colonial scenario or a bunch of smaller ones.

Plus we get France! (Even though it probably won't have its ability for the scenario) and if Venice is in it might be used to represent Italy unless its been confirmed that Rome will.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Also, I wouldn't rule out the Sioux based on there being two horse UU's. God and Kings came with three civs that had naval UU's. Two of them replacing the same one (trireme).

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

Also, I wouldn't rule out the Sioux based on there being two horse UU's. God and Kings came with three civs that had naval UU's. Two of them replacing the same one (trireme).

Plus with the Berber Cavalry that's only like 3 Unique Cavalry replacements total. Musketman has at least 4 and 3 of them were with vanilla.

 

[Drucifer]

I know its a long shot, but what about Prussia as the remaining European civ. It has strong ties to the reformation which has been overhauled and its capital kongisberg is not in the game.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I wouldn't rule out the Sioux either, but until someone comes up with a decent explanation for why the barbs have a very specifically eastern native american looking unit (other than the devs don't care and/or think native americans could count as barbs), I'll assume an eastern native american group is more likely.

 

[Gucumatz]

Also, I wouldn't rule out the Sioux based on there being two horse UU's. God and Kings came with three civs that had naval UU's. Two of them replacing the same one (trireme).

Q: What is the strength value of one of the unrevealed units?
A: 34. But it might change.
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The Quinquireme and the Drokon functioned nothing alike

Sioux Cavalry would be just another cavalry replacement. While it can not be said with certainty that Kate means the singular in the quote, the fact that the word choice is a casual "it" makes it seem that the only unique cavalry replacement is the Berber Cavalry

 

[cybrxkhan]

Q: What is the strength value of one of the unrevealed units?
A: 34. But it might change.
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The Quinquireme and the Drokon functioned nothing alike

Sioux Cavalry would be just another cavalry replacement. While it can not be said with certainty that Kate means the singular in the quote, the fact that the word choice is a casual "it" makes it seem that the only unique cavalry replacement is the Berber Cavalry

I think you might be reading it into that too much, the word choice of "it" simply meant she was thinking of one unit that, currently, at the time of her typing this up, had a strength value of 34.

 

[ferr.ox96]

What about Sardinia-Piedmont? It led the unification of Italy under the rule of Victor Emmanuel, and it fits the alphabet theory. Its flag also has a colour which resembles purple and white:

Spoiler :

 

[ImperialChaos]

Q: What is the strength value of one of the unrevealed units?
A: 34. But it might change.
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The Quinquireme and the Drokon functioned nothing alike

Sioux Cavalry would be just another cavalry replacement. While it can not be said with certainty that Kate means the singular in the quote, the fact that the word choice is a casual "it" makes it seem that the only unique cavalry replacement is the Berber Cavalry

We don't know how a Sioux Calvary would act differently. It's still in the realm of possibility. Also, she seemed to be talking about one unit and particularly one that was next to be revealed (which it was - Morocco). We won't really know until it's officially announced, but it definitely doesn't rule another horse UU out.