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Britain is leaving the EU

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheetah, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. innonimatu

    innonimatu Deity

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    Can you quote the specific legislation that gave the ECB power to withdraw liquidity from all the greek banks like it did? You can't. There is none. Just as there is no investigation point to bank fraud with those banks, much less a proper judicial or regulatory decision.

    The EU has no constitution, it is not a state. It has a set of treaties, which it pompously calls its "legislation" (forgetting that laws are the sole province of states, but alas that peculiar delusion predates the EU). And no EU treaty, even now, forbids a default, which was the situation at the time.

    Which bailout terms were those, which violations were involved in the ECB's decision at the time, and which laws were invoked?

    Do you want the list of EU states that are "illegal" per the EU's own "legislation"? I want you, it is quite long. In fact I believe the Euro would be defunct immediately were the ECB to withdraw liquidity from banks in all the countries with public debt above 60%, the magic number someone pulled out of thin air into a treaty long ago.

    The classification of the "grade" of collateral used by the ECB in its rules has been changed several timers according to political conveniences. There is nothing technical abut it, it is and has always been a political tool.
     
  2. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    What FRAUD ? Nope nothing here move along !
    Besides Greek Not-Fraud is the EU fault, EU forced the Greece to cook its books, forced the Greeks of all the EU countries to get into so much debt and borrow so much.

    Like I said I agree, the Iceland model would have been ideal solution for Greece.

     
  3. Agent327

    Agent327 Observer

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    Hm. Alt facts seem to get really popular these days.

    A list containing 0 numbers is not 'long'.

    ' Your honour, it's not my fault I submitted false figures to get on the dole! The devil made me do it!'

    I'm sure the EU also 'forced' Greece to build prestige projects - like a state of the art train connection that was primarily used by highly paid train conductors. Bad EU Nazis!

    1) There's no Iceland model
    2) If there were, it wouldn't solve Greece's self-inflicted debt problem. (Apples may look a bit like oranges, but if you want an orange, you don't eat an apple.)
     
  4. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    This thread went off-topic and bizarro fast. Topic is the brexit. Keep your simplistic evaluation of Greece for some more relevant thread.

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  5. Silurian

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    Are you saying that countries that use anothers currency have the "surrendered the essential thing about sovereignty."

    Did countries whose currency was pegged to gold surrender there sovereignty.
     
  6. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    She wasn't much cop as Home Secretary and she hasn't done anything except woffle as PM.
     
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  7. Silurian

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    The EU has stated Spain will have a veto in the negotiations regarding Gibraltar.
    I am not sure what to make of this as my understanding is that each individual EU27 member has to approve the result of the negotiations.
    Has Spain just Trolled the UK by getting this statement of the obvious added to the EU response.

    Much was made during the Scottish referendum that Spain would veto an independent Scotland joining the EU because of Catalonia. This would appear not to be the case.

    From The Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ar-defend-sovereignty-gibraltar-says-michael/
     
  8. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    If this all results 5 years down the line in NI reuniting with Ireland and Scotland separating and applying for EU I'm going to have a nice laugh. UK will have become Serbia.
     
  9. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    YUK?
     
  10. Broken_Erika

    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    I Prefer QUAK(Quasi-United-Anglican-Kingdom) but that requires whales to cede as well, so i guess they'll have to stick with the Formerly United Kingdom(FUK)
     
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  11. EnglishEdward

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    I think that is true to a certain extent.


    Not in my opinion.


    I am inclined to agree with you.


    But if the UK properly breaks up, I have no doubt that the Falkland Islands,
    Gibraltar and the British Indian Ocean Territory will have quite different futures.
     
  12. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    In the same way brother Serbs yell Kosovo je Srbija! I can see English brethren yelling Wales is England! in the not too far future :p
     
  13. Broken_Erika

    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    Cede them to Jamaica, or Iceland. All glory to the New Icelandic Empire!
     
  14. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    Anglican refers to the Church of England, not to England itself. Besides, Quasi-United would work better if Wales was still part of the Union (not that there is any realistic chance of that not happening).

    Michael Howard has recently made waves by comparing May to Thatcher and Spain to Argentina, because he apparently has no idea of what not to say in any company, least of all polite ones.
     
  15. Broken_Erika

    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    I know, but QUEK just doesn't have the same ring to it.
     
  16. uppi

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    The way I understand it, the approval of the members will have to be given after the negotiators have finished and proposed an agreement. The members can then approve or reject the whole package. If this would be a good deal for the EU and the other 26 members approve, they would have little patience for silly territorial disputes between Spain and the UK (QUEK? FUK?) and pressure Spain to accept it, despite possible misgivings about the status of Gibraltar. But with this statement, the EU negotiators cannot make any concessions on the status of Gibraltar without explicit approval from Spain. That means Spain can avoid any objectionable language becoming part of the deal and does not have to make the (possibly empty) threat of a veto on the whole deal.
     
  17. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    How about "South Britain"? :devil: (ie England and Wales - and Cornwall and any microstate islands there).
    SB, S for south or small :/

    Imo the best thing would be for Scotland to stay, but be now given federal republic status so as to veto stuff.
     
  18. Lillefix

    Lillefix I'm serious. You can.

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    And in return Spain will be more lenient on Scotland...
     
  19. innonimatu

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    You should know it: you are one of the main posters of "alt facts" (I prefer the proper word: lies) in this website. And for an example:

    Because you probably are unable to understand long texts, here is a nice picture for you:



    For reference: the original "Growth and Stability Pact", which brought signatories neither growth nor stability, imposed a 60% ceiling for public debt (what FriendlyFire referred to) and a 3% budget deficit limit, which were repeatedly broken by most states and finally declared "stupid" by a former european tin-pot dictator. The current set of treaties are so complex (and still stupid) that I'm sure you are unable to understand them even were I to spend hours explaining. The same limits were maintained but with an ever-growing list of caveat, selectively applied or not, depending on whether it is France or Germany violating them, or whether it is Greece or Malta. As another of the would-be tin-pot european dictators dictators stated recently: "la France, c'est la France"... and Germany can beet a trade surplus above 6%, violating another agreement, the EC doesn't care.
     
  20. Colon

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    You need a qualified majority in the Council of the European Union, ie: 55% of the members representing 65% of the population. A majority in the European Parliament is also needed.
     

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