Farm Boy
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They're currently building the the force they'll use to invade Taiwan. Maybe we shouldn't do navy stuff. They do navy stuff and are bad.
Bye Bye Tik Tok Yay?
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Lexicus
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And our guy is talking about invading Greenland! That's okay though because when we invade countries we bring freedom?
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Freedom rocks! And so does Burger King!
Farm Boy
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It might similar, Trump is sometimes a liar, I have been told.
I am, however, watching the hands. Some tasks are highly telegraphed and take years. Does the tongue have any more whataboutism?
Maybe! Maybe we should ban food. I hear China has food.
Give reality time, it'll even suggest this seriously. Such are the times we live in. We're the best, they're the worst. We do what they do? Trust us, we do it for good reasons.
Overall, obviously, there are many differences. But that doesn't make an imposition on free speech suddenly not that.
Farm Boy
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No, but it does make it part of a fight that just hasn't gotten around to the killing just yet.
Unless you count the fentanyl.
But hey, food! We banned a food dye with 50 years of studies to show it isn't carcinogenic in humans. Maybe our citizens not being able to differentiate between humans and rats, in the way that banning was rationalized, will be an aid when the killing times come.
Unless you count the fentanyl.
But hey, food! We banned a food dye with 50 years of studies to show it isn't carcinogenic in humans. Maybe our citizens not being able to differentiate between humans and rats, in the way that banning was rationalized, will be an aid when the killing times come.
Today Trump took an oath to support the Constitution and laws of the US. The TikTok ban is a law of the land passed by Congress. After taking that oath, Trump issued an EO to over turn that law.
It's not banned. It was never banned. The whole thing was a great big farce. Biden said he wouldn't enforce it, then TikTok ignored that, and went through the performative exercise of "banning" itself, to drum up a bunch of press, panic and outrage, especially amongst young people. Then they used the opportunity to kiss up to Trump by pushing the false narrative that he somehow "saved" TikTok.
The whole point is that Trump gets to force TikTok to sell to Elon Musk, or some other American billionaire, and then it goes right back to doing what it was doing before... farming personal information and metadata for sale to the highest bidder and other forms of internet/media manipulation. Its just another scam... with a side order of extortion/robbery.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
We do... its called TikTok... as soon as the forced sale to Elon Musk is complete...
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I don't think there will be a forced sale. This is a rope the chinese onwers can afford to strech. Why sell?
It doesn't have to be "forced" at gunpoint... the point is to strong arm influence the company into selling a majority share. The deal will be worth billions to both the buyers and sellers.
Who do you think it will be? Musk, Zuckerberg, or Bezos? Maybe even Trump!
My money is on Musk, but they were all at the inauguration with prominent positions on the stage... so I'd guess they are all vying for whatever loot and goodies they can get out of the country from the new administration.
When we're taught that laws are important and breaking them has consequences, we're not told "don't worry about it they probably won't enforce it".It's not banned. It was never banned. The whole thing was a great big farce. Biden said he wouldn't enforce it, then TikTok ignored that, and went through the performative exercise of "banning" itself, to drum up a bunch of press, panic and outrage, especially amongst young people. Then they used the opportunity to kiss up to Trump by pushing the false narrative that he somehow "saved" TikTok.
The whole point is that Trump gets to force TikTok to sell to Elon Musk, or some other American billionaire, and then it goes right back to doing what it was doing before... farming personal information and metadata for sale to the highest bidder and other forms of internet/media manipulation. Its just another scam... with a side order of extortion/robbery.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I'd imagine the risk-reward is higher for a company in the headlights of being accused of laundering political influence
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From Trump and his enablers, money trumps politics.
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No, because my argument here is this: If America banned Chinese social platforms first (before china banned the American ones) then I would call America out for it. If one side was the one who started it and the other side merely adapted the same tactic, that is the difference. "if you think violence is wrong, then why did you physically punch him?" after he punched you first and started the fight, and all you're doing is fighting fire with fire. Whoever instigated the fight and threw the first punch loses moral high ground. The side that was attacked first and is merely giving the aggressing side the same treatment has moral high ground to stand on. If china unbans American social media platforms in China, I will be the first to demand America unban tik tok or any other Chinese platforms.I mean, you terribly misused the phrase "double standard" (a double standard applies to one party r.e. inconsistent behaviour), but sure, you technically didn't say "China banning US products is bad".
So, do you think China banning a bunch of stuff made outside of China is good? The thing is, a lot of folks think that a lot of what China does is bad, you see. Therefore, logically, a bastion of freedom and democracy in the West doing something that China does would be troubling. Of course, it depends on whether or not you approve of China's actions r.e. Google and other products of Western companies in the first place.
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innonimatu
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Trump is now a big billionare, on paper, with his "coin". Not much different from Musk with his overvalued stock. And so many others.
If the chinese were to seell him 50% of that network for "Trump coin", would that count as the biggerst bribe ever? And how many heads would explode?
The shock value might make it worth it for both parties. Intriguing...
If the chinese were to seell him 50% of that network for "Trump coin", would that count as the biggerst bribe ever? And how many heads would explode?
The shock value might make it worth it for both parties. Intriguing...
"they started it" is something you use on a playground. Either something is a rational action to do, or it isn't. "it's okay because they did it first" is very, deeply, silly logic. And I'm not entirely sure someone advocating for the US' move in this scenario has entirely thought the principle through.
Causality can be important, admittedly. But causality isn't even being used by the US government to justify the action here. You're invoking it on their behalf, because it makes sense according to your own worldview. That's some rationalisation.
We're not talking about morality here. There is precious little morality in government censorship in the first place. It's almost like your argument is entirely moral. I'm not judging if so, I personally have a great deal of morals around my acceptance of / opposition to censorship and the justifications that can be used. But that basically doesn't apply at the level of national government. My personal morals are completely immaterial to my government's actions nomatter whether or not I think they should be.
And if we are engaging in a moral argument, then "the US can do whatever it wants because China did it first" is only going to harm US citizens, certainly far more than it's actually going to hurt China. So I'm not sure you've thought the moral principle through either.
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That argument was used to bomb Japan to the Stone Age in ww2, thus it could be used here.
Yeaaaaaah, I'm not entirely sure why you think this is a good thing, but heyo.
