classical_hero
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Does anyone think that these techs that show your government choice be untradable in this game and you must go towards it asap?
C3C PBEM : "Haiti" - Restart
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classical_hero
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GPS to the Portuguese
qummik
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GPS 1527AD, turn 37.
Luthor_Saxburg
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Good. I like this system!von_Clausewitz said:
I'll try resume the 'religious' rule to see if we all agree:
- We can research both techs.
- We can not trade those techs (Counter-Reformation and Protestantism).
- If we change government we must announce it. Ideally when we declare our GPS we could also make a note of our religious government style so that we don't have to memorize the others beliefs (e.g. 'Catholic. GPS.').
- Protestant and Catholic nations can not TRADE (anything!) or make DEALS with eachother.
- Protestant and Catholic don't need to go to war with each other. Off course they can if they wish...
- Protestant and Catholic can TRADE and\or make DEALS with nations on anarchy.
I do not agree with researching either one of them as soon as possible. I think we should leave this up to the players.
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Catholic France has G, P, & S.
fe3333au
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Turn 37 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1527
Well there is one Shoshoni brave, thanks to the superior English longbow, that is not returning to his Wigwam peace pipery, he is now frollicking in the Happy Hunting Grounds
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For Lurkers only ... come on guyz play fair 
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Notes
1. I agree with the new Protestant and Catholic rules ... can't have the popeists polluting the minds of our Church of England (if indeed one was to be founded)
2. Regarding trading with Natives
I have engaged in trade in the past ... exchanged World Maps and sold Contact with another Civilization ... there was NO Technology involved ... I didn't (and still don't) consider this to be a breaking of our rules ... however it may be considered thus when my spoilers are read by lurkers (and players after the game has been completed).
Please discuss and I will abide by players decision.
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Well said!fe3333au on post 123 said:How about giving contacts to those who don't have them as well ... (...)
Actually in addition, I would prefer for fairness for ... the offending player to gift us ALL equal shares of the gold he got. ... and for the original non-trading rule to be re-applied.
(...)
Also, I think that ALL OTHER players can buy a map ONCE from natives.
I understand that the error was made by mistake but the above solution is to me more fair ... I think I prefer the No More Native Trading because the very next player will attempt to sell techs and then the next (if any gold left) ... third player and rest will not receive anything, as mentioned the way the game was configured the northern colonists are at a disadvantagewhich is the reason we decided on the rules.
Can we all agree on the rule (which I thought was already agreed on) of ABSOLUTELY NO TRADE with the AI? This means contacts, maps, luxuries, techs and everything else!
The only exception would be if the exchange would be part of a peace treaty.
We should really decide now this because I had opportunities of trade (non-tech) and let it pass due to the rule. I just want this (and all the other rules) clarified once and for all.
Qummik, can you now put now the rules in post1?
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classical_hero
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G P and S.
qummik
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GPS 1528AD, turn 38.
fe3333au
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OK ... sorry about this and my confusion ... I will try to rectify ... I have kept a record of the trade I engaged in.
Discussion of Rule change occured in Turn 19 (1509AD) due to a technology trade.
1506 ... Aztec Contact sent for Incan World Map +13 Gold Inca Bank
1516 ... World Maps exchanged +33 Gold Inca Bank.
1516 ... World Maps exchanged +Aztec Worker +43 Gold Aztec Bank.
So technically I have only sold MY World Map once to a specific Native Tribe.
So my transactions (post rule discussion) resulted in 76 Gold
... Divided by 4 players is 19 gold which will give ALL gold gained.
I'd like to keep the slave if it is OK ... but am willing to disband if required.
Finally due to confusion resulting in rule interpretation ... I am willing to pay a total of 25 gold per player in 5 turns.
Please discuss if this is agreeable.
So regarding the Clarification
Is it that we cannot enter into any Native trade what so ever which means you cannot buy slaves, trade luxes and resources, buy a city, etc.
Apart from Peace which would be only for peace and nothing additional taken from the natives ???
Discussion of Rule change occured in Turn 19 (1509AD) due to a technology trade.
1506 ... Aztec Contact sent for Incan World Map +13 Gold Inca Bank
1516 ... World Maps exchanged +33 Gold Inca Bank.
1516 ... World Maps exchanged +Aztec Worker +43 Gold Aztec Bank.
So technically I have only sold MY World Map once to a specific Native Tribe.
So my transactions (post rule discussion) resulted in 76 Gold
... Divided by 4 players is 19 gold which will give ALL gold gained.
I'd like to keep the slave if it is OK ... but am willing to disband if required.
Finally due to confusion resulting in rule interpretation ... I am willing to pay a total of 25 gold per player in 5 turns.
Please discuss if this is agreeable.
So regarding the Clarification
Is it that we cannot enter into any Native trade what so ever which means you cannot buy slaves, trade luxes and resources, buy a city, etc.Apart from Peace which would be only for peace and nothing additional taken from the natives ???
classical_hero
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Considering that I got a WM from the Aztecs as part of a peace deal, I know that I am safe.
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My opinion is that you should give 15 gp (76/5) to each player and keep the worker(*).fe3333au said:
(*) What a great excuse! 'Yes, I lost the game to England BUT he had an illegimate worker!!!'
I assumed this was your proposal on post 123... communication mistakes... find them everywhere!fe3333au said:So regarding the Clarification
Apart from Peace which would be only for peace and nothing additional taken from the natives ???
I don't really care what is the rule for trading is, I just want it to be clear. Having no trade whatsoever with the AI has one advantage: is crystal clear. I think... (maybe in 20 turns we'll be discussing some specific issue regarding trade... eh eh eh! )
fe3333au
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I must admit that I've not asked the slave who his father was. I shall send the cash ASAP.
fe3333au
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Turn 38 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1528
15 gold Fine for Native Trading has been sent to ALL players
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classical_hero
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BTW, do I still need to put quote marks for spoilers so the fe cannot see them. Well here is a test for fe or anyone who recieves email notification. Could you please tell me if you see this spoiler below?
Spoiler :
qummik
King Qummik III
GPS 1529AD, turn 39.
The spoiler without quote is visible in e-mail.
The spoiler without quote is visible in e-mail.
fe3333au
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Yes place them in quotes ... I havn't received the e-mail yet and will delete prior to reading. 
Am I your next target ?!!!!!
Am I your next target ?!!!!!
classical_hero
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No. If it is anyone then it will be the AI. I also suggest that you put your spoiler in quotes also. There is nothing special in the unquoted spoiler. All it says is "Test", nothing to be worried about. You are getting quite paranoid in your old age.
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GPS.
The peacefull French exploration continues, even though we sometimes our wine makes our drunk explorers cross borders without permission.
The peacefull French exploration continues, even though we sometimes our wine makes our drunk explorers cross borders without permission.
