Can there ever be social justice without socialism?

[Murky]

Just asking. I'm curious what CFC:OT Thinks about it.

 

[civver_764]

capitalsim exploits

 

[JollyRoger]

It depends. It appears they were trying to approach social justice in the Old Testament, but I'm not sure how socialist that system of government was. Perhaps they kept being dragged into exile because they failed to properly implement socialism.

 

[Cutlass]

Yes. Capitalism and justice are not mutually exclusive. Many people simply work to make it so.

 

[Ajidica]

In theory, Capitalism isn't exploitive. In practice it fails to take into account humanities baser instincts and differences while failing to create proper methods of compensation which inevitably makes it exploitive.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Yes. Capitalism and justice are not mutually exclusive

That's another case of far-right, reactionary propaganda on that forum!

 

[Tee Kay]

How about there can't be socialism without social justice.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Depends on how you define socialism.

I don't think that the state needs to own the means of production for there to be social justice, however I do think there needs to be a strong wealfare state.

 

[civ_king]

Yes there can be justice without socialism

 

[Newbunkle]

Hmm, good question! Thinking about it, I would have to say no. If people are unable to access their fair share of land and resources, then they will always be exploited by those that control it.

 

[Archbob]

Depends on what you mean by justice. I don't find socialism just.

 

[knez]

Just asking. I'm curious what CFC:OT Thinks about it.

There can be no sort of justice, including social one, with socialism.

 

[Richard Cribb]

The way I understand justice, certainly not.

 

[Thedrin]

How do you define social justice? Welfare schemes? While Social Democrat is [apparently] a reasonable approximation of my political/economic views, I don't view unemployment benefit, state pensions or universal healthcare as justice. I do, however, view them as important in helping maintain social cohesion in urbanised societies.

 

[History_Buff]

Does the state need to own the means of production to ensure justice? No.

Can justice be achieved in a group of ~75+ people without some form of government intervention in the economy? No.


In fact, we should probably all agree on a definition of social justice in the first place. I would posit that achieving social justice for all by any means is impossible.

 

[amadeus]

Since "social justice" is just a euphemism for socialism, I don't see how you can separate the two.

 

[Bill3000]

There are non-socialist political philosophies which deal with the issue of social justice. John Rawls in his milestone book "A Theory of Justice" is an example of this.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Socialism: hard work punished, laziness rewarded (this isn't always true I know)

 

[amadeus]

There are non-socialist political philosophies which deal with the issue of social justice. John Rawls in his milestone book "A Theory of Justice" is an example of this.

Outlier!

 

[Virote_Considon]

Depends to what extent you infer these terms to mean, as well as, as others have said, a definition of "social justice".

For example, do you mean complete social justice, or more social justice than without? Because if its the latter, then you could argue that capitalism brings more social justice than mercantilism, but less than socialism. Likewise, do you refer to complete change of the system to a socialist system or partial inclusion of a minimal amount of socialist ideas into the current system?