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[southafrica]

Actually I was listing to Coast to Coast last night on the radio and they had 3 scientists that were talking about that. I guess that would be a natural disaster of sorts.

It would be a massive natural disaster as the thawing of the alps and warming up in Europe in the late middle ages was one of the main factors that allowed the renaisance to occur (the land became more productive supporting higher populations, greater productivity)...

-SA

(by the way, I still believe that we in a natural warming trend, not that global warming is not adding to it, but none the less temps were rising well before the industrial revolution...)

 

[Pounder]

(by the way, I still believe that we in a natural warming trend, not that global warming is not adding to it, but none the less temps were rising well before the industrial revolution...)

I agree that it would be happening with or without man as well, technically temperatures have been rising for the last 50,000 years. Maybe we are reaching a climax.

 

[Tactician Zhao]

Actually I was listing to Coast to Coast last night on the radio and they had 3 scientists that were talking about that. I guess that would be a natural disaster of sorts.

someone needs to make a Quickening mod

 

[Tactician Zhao]

But just so people understand the diffrence here between the US and Canada you have to go back to when the US was founded. The US was founded basically by traitors of the British empire call them what you want but thats what they were. Canada on the other hand was founded by the Loyalist who still felt loyaltiy to Britan so they whent up North to only still britsh controlled settlements which just happened to be french Quebec. after the Revoloutinoary war the States got Greedy and decided they wanted the rest of north america (not including mexico) so they decided to invade Canada in the war of 1812 which they lost. this is a very intersting war that not many people know a hole lot about so look it up very intersting stuff.

Some of your info isn't completely wrong, but I would suggest you look it up too

 

[Willem]

Every nation with a rich history deserves to be in the Civilization series, but for Civilization IV I think they must also have a great leader as well. Who would be the great leader of Canada?

I have no idea, but perhaps someone can fit the bill?

John A. MacDonald was our first and the one that was mainly responsible for Canada being a country in the first place. It was his idea to negotiate with the English crown. Also Pierre Elliot Trudeau was a very popular and competent PM in the 70's. Not everyone like him or his policies, but most Canadians had great respect for abilities. He spent 15 years as PM, one of the longest running. Then there's Lester B. Pearson, he played an important role in the founding of the United Nations.

 

[Willem]

I don’t think it should be in it. It hasn’t done squat as far as world events and such.

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that, we have made some contributions. We gave the world the telephone, that was pretty major. And our Prime Minister at the time, Lester B. Pearson, was one of the founding fathers of the UN. We also played an important role in WWII, supplying Britian with whatever it needed to fight the Nazis. But we certainly don't classify as a civilization that's for sure.

 

[Willem]

I think all Canadians should express the deepest pride in being a good neighbour to the United States of America!

Now if only the reverse were true.

 

[Tactician Zhao]

Now if only the reverse were true.

if either was true, this discussion would never have gone like this

 

[Willem]

You know - I got to thinking about this and here is a world event they didn't "contribute to: World Terrorism

Yeah right, that's why we have more troops than anyone else besides the US in Afghanistan.

During the war in Iraq your ambassador commented that it was ironic that we weren't in the war since we had more ships/troops in place in the region than most of the other so-called allies.

 

[Willem]

They did fail in expelling the British, as they are still there to this day, but self preservation was achieved..

I beg your pardon! We are not British, we are Canadian! We've been on our own now since 1867.

 

[Tactician Zhao]

I beg your pardon! We are not British, we are Canadian! We've been on our own now since 1867.

oh, pardon me, then.. I was under the impression that the Queen was your head of state

 

[Willem]

well, unless you're sitting on some oil, I wouldn't hold my breath

As a matter of fact, Canada is swimming in oil. There's gallons of it in Alberta and off the Newfoundland/Nova Scotia coasts.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

oh, pardon me, then.. I was under the impression that the Queen was your head of state

That doesn't really make us british, it's really just a formality. You see, if we keep around a hereditary monarch who appears to be a despot, it means we don't have the problem of having to elect a despot with actual power who can do actual damage to our country.

It's a convenient system, all around.


BTW, I'm not exactly clear why this thread exists at all - I have yet to see anyone seriously make an argument to include Canada as a civ. I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Tactician Zhao]

As a matter of fact, Canada is swimming in oil. There's gallons of it in Alberta and off the Newfoundland/Nova Scotia coasts.

I was under the impression he was in Australia.. though I know little about the location of oil worldwide anyways.. I'm sure theres a few Americans on here who have a large world map with pins marking the sites, however

 

[BrotherDragon]

A mod for a Canadian civilization could have units based on snowmobiles, Wayne Gretsky as a Great Leader and the Pamela Anderson Wonder(s)!

 

[Hunter]

Well just for the heck lets give a reason for the Nation of Canada to be in then:

Game Play:
A peacefully non aggressive trade nation which would give anyone not playing as a warmonger a welcome ally.

Build often: Defensive units

Historical value:
While young I would be so bold as to say equal to India (who I understand are in the game) in international value. Canada has contributed to many international and scientific developments. Canadian military forces have contributed a great deal to the protection of peace with only a few questionable involvements. As for land acquisition Canada is one of the largest countries in the world and became so by the use of paper treaties but make no mistake. All lands in Canada were TAKEN from other nations.

So in short the Nation of Canada would add game play options to the heavily war driven game.

So for the sake of argument put Canada in.

 

[Tactician Zhao]

That doesn't really make us british, it's really just a formality. You see, if we keep around a hereditary monarch who appears to be a despot, it means we don't have the problem of having to elect a despot with actual power who can do actual damage to our country.

It's a convenient system, all around.

fair enough.. I'll leave the arguing to the Canadians and Americans from now on

 

[ehBeaver]

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that, we have made some contributions. We gave the world the telephone, that was pretty major. And our Prime Minister at the time, Lester B. Pearson, was one of the founding fathers of the UN. We also played an important role in WWII, supplying Britian with whatever it needed to fight the Nazis. But we certainly don't classify as a civilization that's for sure.

Recent wars: Anglo-Boer war, WW1, WW2, Korean war, although we didnt join in Vietnam, thousands of Canadians joined the US army to go over.....

 

[Tactician Zhao]

we didnt join in Vietnam, thousands of Canadians joined the US army to go over.....

that is interesting, I did not know that.. I was only familiar with the Americans who joined Canada to avoid it

 

[Stevenpfo]

Yeah right, that's why we have more troops than anyone else besides the US in Afghanistan.

During the war in Iraq your ambassador commented that it was ironic that we weren't in the war since we had more ships/troops in place in the region than most of the other so-called allies.

I think what he was trying to say was that we didn't contribute to the actual terrorism. I woulda said something yesterday when I read this if I thought he had said that as i'm heading to Afghanistan in February