Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

[Lord of Elves]

You could always depict the Charge of the Finnish Cavalry during the War of the Six Nation Alliance

 

[Ahigin]

You could always depict the Charge of the Finnish Cavalry during the War of the Six Nation Alliance

Well, to depict that I have to read through all the 19th century updates - something I haven't done yet.

 

[J.K. Stockholme]

I too like the art style.

 

[Lord of Elves]

Well, to depict that I have to read through all the 19th century updates - something I haven't done yet.

Essentially a parallel to the charge of the light brigade in the OTL Crimean War. It was a futile cavalry charge made by the 5th Hakkapellitain during the war against the Ascendancy in China. Was largely invented by myself in order to establish national flavor/a background for Scandinavian militarist nationalism and national pride, so it's not going to be a single event mentioned in any one update.

There's some background on the events of the conflict here.

 

[Crezth]

You're entitled to presume dishonesty when I disagree with you if you like, and you've imputed my good faith on a question of aesthetics before, if I remember correctly - but I'm not lying, and I personally don't find the perspective very objectionable. Sure, it's not perfect, and I'm sure most people have a better grasp of visual art than me, but I would rather you called my taste, or my rosy-tinted view of life, into question rather than my integrity.

I would prefer to assume you were being deceptive rather than stupid.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

If we want the quintessential Scottist event, we could do the Bodenborg Massacre.

 

[qoou]

OOC: gah.. can't think of a good way to diplo-speak announce that the swiss are going to try and start building a world-class university this year. even though of a fun name for it, "academy city". but the muse just aint flowing, and everything I try and write sounds to corny or idiotic.

Word of advice. Don't build a university. It'll end up badly.


Ahigin, you're welcome to draw Colombia being the world's largest repackager of crude oil. Just... some cold, lifeless pipelines, scarring the beautiful Colombian terrain. Totally worth the EP though.

 

[Lord of Elves]

If we want the quintessential Scottist event, we could do the Bodenborg Massacre.

Yessss, the Bodenborg Massacre could be interesting too.

 

[Grandkhan]

If you're interested in practicing your fire-drawing and your ship-drawing, there's the 1924 Battle of the Skaggerak

 

[Ahigin]

Ahigin, you're welcome to draw Colombia being the world's largest repackager of crude oil.

You remind people about your oil pipelines so often, it makes me think you're just bluffing and the pipelines run empty.

As for the drawing suggestions, they're always welcome, but I hope everyone understands it actually takes time to draw anything. The better the drawing, the more time.

 

[spryllino]

I would prefer to assume you were being deceptive rather than stupid.

You really are staggeringly nice and accepting of people who disagree with you. How can anyone have quite that much self-confidence? You're literally saying that anyone who differs from you on given subjective questions of taste is either stupid or dishonest. I can't help thinking that you're missing the point of art rather drastically.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@Spryllino and crezth: Chill out a little bit, I think I saw a birdjaguar snooping around. Or take it to NESchat or something.

 

[Crezth]

You really are staggeringly nice and accepting of people who disagree with you. How can anyone have quite that much self-confidence? You're literally saying that anyone who differs from you on given subjective questions of taste is either stupid or dishonest. I can't help thinking that you're missing the point of art rather drastically.

Just because art is subjective doesn't mean it lacks objective elements. If I showed you this:

You might agree that it was "worse" (in that it executed the elements of style with less precision) than this:

Likewise, if I quoted a romantic passage from Twilight and compared it to a romantic passage from Romeo & Juliet (fully understanding that the latter is meant to be read aloud), you might agree that Shakespeare's was "better." This is not because we subjectively happen to agree, it's because we subconsciously react to the elements of style and good execution, among these include a confident control of perspective, proportion, and so on.

So when I tell you there's a problem with the perspective, that's not just my subjectivity talking and if you're interested in critiquing art usefully you must not dismiss mine nor anyone else's opinion as "merely subjective," and then to proceed to paint me as not only intolerant but arrogant for calling out what I saw as little more than an excuse not to think. When art is good, it's good for a reason. As it happens, I think Ahigin is decent when it comes to proportion and that's no small task. I made an observation about the perspective and your only response was to say "there's nothing wrong with it." What a crock.

e: sorry for spamming up your thread EQ, I'll go flog myself now

 

[spryllino]

I would say that you are being inordinately unreasonable on a number of levels - and now you're just resorting to strawmen (as if stick men and Michelangelo are relevant; I'm sure we both agree that Ahigin is somewhere in the middle) and miscellaneous exaggerations (such as suggesting I said "there's nothing wrong with it", which really isn't what I said at all, since I said it "is not bad at all", which is something quite different). You just seem to be under the impression that any opinion that isn't highly critical is invalid.

I maintain that Ahigin's perspective, while not perfect, is not remotely bad - on the basis that looking at the picture for a few seconds makes it fairly obvious what is being represented, which is the criterion I was using in my original post, which, while not the only possible criterion, is not a bad one for judging illustrations of a NES by - and that it is extraordinarily mistaken of you to suggest that this entirely valid perspective of mine is either lying or stupid.

I don't give compliments for the hell of it, nor do I care very much about the issue - but I do care about having my intelligence and honesty impugned in a fashion that seems rather gratuitous to me. I don't say your opinions are stupid or dishonest; on the contrary, I accept that you are manifestly a perfectly intelligent person, and I have no idea why anybody would post dishonest opinions - and I don't see that it's at all reasonable to bring my intelligence, or my honesty, into a discussion which, if it ought to happen at all (which there probably isn't any necessity of), ought to be to do with the issue in question and rely on a mutual presumption of intelligence and honesty on both sides.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

This still isn't a thread on the discussion of the appreciation of art. I for one, hate art .

In regards to Ahigin's art, it actually reminds me quite a bit of the art in a museum I visited in Volgograd, the style is quite similar, if less polished to a 360 art piece there. Same sort of perspective and visual issues, but it could be argued that the perspective isn't exactly the point of the piece. In my opinion, I think the whole purpose and idea that should be at play is the tone and feeling depicted.

In the crossing picture, yes, it's not perfect, but we can see that this is not a pleasant experience for the Russian soldiers involved. From a mechanical standpoint, and strictly in terms of how close it is to photorealism, it's not really that close. The point is that it doesn't need to be to reflect just how much it sucks to be that Russian officer in the center of the frame. What makes this a fine picture to me is that I see that officer looking back at us (without clearly defined eyes or mouth, or even nose) and you can tell, just by the tone of the piece that he's saying, "Yes, my horse is startled, there's fire on my right, and my men are dying on my left, and I'm probably going to die. Still, we're going forward!" The officer divides the picture into two sides, one the frying pan, and the other (heh) the fire, with him in the middle, trapped but obviously still determined to push forward.

Restated summary: The point isn't the technical quality of the picture, it's how well it conveys a message and what it evokes from the viewer.

 

[Milarqui]

Aww, I thought this would be the update...

But yeah, I think we do need to not take things so seriously. The drawing is quite good, we cannot demand a masterpiece.

 

[christos200]

Aww, I thought this would be the update...

Me too.

 

[Luckymoose]

TO: Kabinde
FROM: Brazil
CC: Kongo

We officially guarantee the independence of Kabinde.

 

[Crezth]

I would say that you are being inordinately unreasonable on a number of levels - and now you're just resorting to strawmen (as if stick men and Michelangelo are relevant; I'm sure we both agree that Ahigin is somewhere in the middle) and miscellaneous exaggerations (such as suggesting I said "there's nothing wrong with it", which really isn't what I said at all, since I said it "is not bad at all", which is something quite different). You just seem to be under the impression that any opinion that isn't highly critical is invalid.

I'll carry on this discussion in private messages.

 

[SouthernKing]

Regretfully, if I am still counted as even playing in this NES, I'm going to drop. It's been fun and all, and masterfully modded, but I've lost interest and want to devote time to other things.