@Jehoshua, you meant Chokweland, and actually it's not the strongest. That honor goes to Kongo or South Africa, depending on what geographical location you actually believe Chokweland to be in.
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Jehoshua
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You never can quite tell with Christos 
Either way, he did give me the opportunity to call out Africa for the backward black-hole that it is so either way there was no reason not to reply. Might be a useful point for certain former colonial powers to pick up on in the future if they get their houses in order and their player masters forfeit based on recourse to their charges national interest any ingrained IRL anti-colonial principles they have been indoctrinated in and translated into the game 
@EQ: My flippancy merely goes to show how irrelevant Africa is when I care to muse on the games IR situation (in fact where it factors in, it is due to other powers competing for influence there)
Either way, he did give me the opportunity to call out Africa for the backward black-hole that it is so either way there was no reason not to reply. Might be a useful point for certain former colonial powers to pick up on in the future if they get their houses in order and their player masters forfeit based on recourse to their charges national interest any ingrained IRL anti-colonial principles they have been indoctrinated in and translated into the game @EQ: My flippancy merely goes to show how irrelevant Africa is when I care to muse on the games IR situation
(in fact where it factors in, it is due to other powers competing for influence there)
christos200
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Ovamboland is my client, Jeho. I am Chokweland.
Grandkhan
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Might be a useful point for certain former colonial powers to pick up on in the future if they get their houses in order and their player masters forfeit based on recourse to their charges national interest any ingrained IRL anti-colonial principles they have been indoctrinated in and translated into the game
This would literally be Vietnam on steroids and a terrible idea.
On that note, has there been a colonial rebellion in the entire history of CI that failed? I can't think of a single case where a colonial rebellion has been defeated since 1830.
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Chokweland, which has been renamed Central Africa, is in Central Africa, that is between the regions were Kongo and South Africa are, so we are the strongest regional power.
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On Re-colonisation of Africa: Depends on how low things fall in Africa and the actual conduct of a recolonising power. One also needs to point out that there are multiple reasons why one might get involved in Africa, perhaps one has an ulterior purpose in stirring up conflict in Africa...
On Colonial Rebellions: The Holy Land (Filastin) rebellion was decisively crushed, due to astute Papal diplomatic connections.
christos200
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The Africans would never accept colonial rule without huge revolutions ever turn.
Crezth
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Yeah, that's a fair analysis Jehoshua. I agree. I personally see the biggest perpetrators of their will on the world scene (the "big 3" as it were) as Brazil, Russia, and Japan, in no particular order.
Also, Vietnam was very conditional and unique to the US. I don't think of it as the rule for all great power-little power interactions.
Also, Vietnam was very conditional and unique to the US. I don't think of it as the rule for all great power-little power interactions.
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On what basis do you say Brazil and Japan are the biggest perpetrators of will? Brazil speaks an awful lot for example, but oratory is not identical to projecting will, and objectively both these two powers seem to lack a stable sphere centred on their interests, or the ability to project hard power in any substantial way beyond their immediate surrounds.
TheLastJacobite
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Chokweland, which has been renamed Central Africa, is in Central Africa, that is between the regions were Kongo and South Africa are, so we are the strongest regional power.
Chokweland-
Total economy: 22 EP (1 banked)
Manpower: +2 a year (155 banked)
Military: 9 total brigades, 1 Fighter squadron, no navy
International Connections: none
Kongo-
Total Economy: 32 EP (24 Banked)
Manpower: +1 a year (61 banked)
Military: 29 Army Brigades (including 2 Armored), 7 Air Squadrons (including 3 Jets) and 39 ships
International Connections: Oldest ally of Russia, the largest most powerful nation in the world
South Africa-
Total Economy: 37 EP (10 banked)
Manpower: +2 a year (151 banked)
Military: 10 Brigades, 4 ships, along with sizable British military presence nearby
International Connections: Dominion of the United Kingdom, the second most powerful nation on Earth.
So yeah, Chokweland is a small fish in a small pond surrounded by bigger fish, who are in turn friends with huge fish. The only "region" where Chokweland is the strongest power is within the boundaries of Chokweland
@Jehosua: I would say Filistin doesn't count a it used to be its own nation (as a part of the Arabian Empire) and hasn't been a colony for 50-100 years like parts of Africa
christos200
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Well, my army sucks a bit because of the war, but I am building up my forces. Also, I have just bought land from Ovamboland that have given me access to the sea, so I will soon start building my navy.
There's plenty of failed rebellions. Of course, failed rebellions don't really last in memory too long, since they failed. Hispaniola, Peru, Algeria, British Central Africa are just four that immediately spring to mind, and if we're not only referring to overseas colonial possessions I could name a very lengthy list of failed national revolts in Russia.
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Your economy is atrocious as well Christos (and likely will remain so). The Papal States' pilgrim economy earns more than Chokweland does. Oh and since you mentioned your armed forces, Il Papa's military is far larger (and better, it has very modern doctrine and mostly modern equipment) as well (due to security dilemma considerations, and the need to maintain a colony), who said the Pope had no divisions again
PS: quite a reasonable consideration EQ, and TLJ your consideration is correct in terms of the internal dynamic of rebellion, but circumstance doesn't change the technical fact Filastin was a colony at the time no. Rebellion is rebellion no matter how long after colonisation it occurs.
JohannaK
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My economy is considerably more atrocious than that of christos, and I have a better military.
christos200
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That is because I lost half of my army in the war against the Burundi. My army is being restored to it's previous size.
Luckymoose
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I corrected this, but added a note. Brazil was a supporter of Chowkeland. It is hard to know exactly what one is doing when dealing with Christos, however.
On the debate on great powers, I think Britain and Germany are doing a piss poor job of power projection. If I was playing Britain I would never have allowed Brazil or Japan to get as uppity as they are right now. Of course, if you view the current international climate they can't really risk a war with Brazil or Japan if they hope to keep their empire. Germany has done an even worse job than Britain. They had all of Europe united in fear, and legitimacy all but faded with the Burgundy problem, Spain's alliance to Brazil, and the shift in economic policies away from Munich mandate.
Actual influence as far as I can tell goes to Russia, Brazil, and Japan.
On the OOC comments issue in the main thread: I find it incredibly insulting to be picked out about this when the majority of the player base has a hard time understanding the difference between IC and OOC. You have no idea how often I have to point this simple crap out to people. Or how much work I do for this NES behind the scenes.
TheLastJacobite
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I corrected this, but added a note. Brazil was a supporter of Chowkeland. It is hard to know exactly what one is doing when dealing with Christos, however.
On the debate on great powers, I think Britain and Germany are doing a piss poor job of power projection. If I was playing Britain I would never have allowed Brazil or Japan to get as uppity as they are right now. Of course, if you view the current international climate they can't really risk a war with Brazil or Japan if they hope to keep their empire. Germany has done an even worse job than Britain. They had all of Europe united in fear, and legitimacy all but faded with the Burgundy problem, Spain's alliance to Brazil, and the shift in economic policies away from Munich mandate.
Actual influence as far as I can tell goes to Russia, Brazil, and Japan.
On the OOC comments issue in the main thread: I find it incredibly insulting to be picked out about this when the majority of the player base has a hard time understanding the difference between IC and OOC. You have no idea how often I have to point this simple crap out to people. Or how much work I do for this NES behind the scenes.
Sorry, what I meant by International Connections would be more accurate as "International Backing". While you may work with Chokweland, you would not treat an attack on them as an unconditional attack on Brazil, like I would with Kongo or Britain would do with South Africa.
And I can kinda see where EQ is coming from. We've been having a lot of pointless OOC details lately and it's bogging down the thread.
Circuit
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I corrected this, but added a note. Brazil was a supporter of Chowkeland. It is hard to know exactly what one is doing when dealing with Christos, however.
On the debate on great powers, I think Britain and Germany are doing a piss poor job of power projection. If I was playing Britain I would never have allowed Brazil or Japan to get as uppity as they are right now. Of course, if you view the current international climate they can't really risk a war with Brazil or Japan if they hope to keep their empire. Germany has done an even worse job than Britain. They had all of Europe united in fear, and legitimacy all but faded with the Burgundy problem, Spain's alliance to Brazil, and the shift in economic policies away from Munich mandate.
Actual influence as far as I can tell goes to Russia, Brazil, and Japan.
On the OOC comments issue in the main thread: I find it incredibly insulting to be picked out about this when the majority of the player base has a hard time understanding the difference between IC and OOC. You have no idea how often I have to point this simple crap out to people. Or how much work I do for this NES behind the scenes.
If you think Brazil is getting too uppity I will gladly remedy that for you.
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On the former oh yes indeed. The masters of Britain and Germany seemingly have voluntarily emasculated themselves in an absurd bid to pander to liberal opinion and doctrine (in the case of the former) or due to sheer inertia and lack of will (in the case of the latter). Both of them whatever the means of their failures seemingly don't realise that the struggle for dominion is an all in exercise, either you commit to it and actively propagate your interests or you let your competitors slowly strip away your strength (as we see with Russia's ever-increasing influence in Europe).
Saying this (and here I go to your second point lucky), if Britain and Germany awoke from their "sleep of reason" and actually started to assert authority, and actively defend their national interests publically. Well the broader (as compared to their natural regional) influence of Brazil and Japan would swiftly melt away.
@Luckymoose: Your tidbits were picked out from the first five samples of the issue that I could find since the update. I COULD go back and find ample examples from everyone including myself. The fact is, the main thread has been derailed one too many times, and I'm sick of dealing with complaints about it. I figure when you get to a point where you're sick of hearing complaints, the proper solution is to actually fix the problem. From here on out, going to have an iron hand on the issue, regardless of who the culprit may be.
