Capto Iugulum Background Thread

Brazilian coal is low quality and expensive. Scandinavia has access to cheap, high-quality North American bituminous.

With what energy resources is Brazil industrializing?

Coal from any of its numerous trading partners not currently locked down by the American fleet? How about Colombia,or Venezuela, or Africans, or Spain, or the United States, or Aztlan? Besides, Brazil produces plenty of coal for this era, drastically more than Argentina or Peru, anyway.
 
Brazilian coal is low quality and expensive. Scandinavia has access to cheap, high-quality North American bituminous.

With what energy resources is Brazil industrializing?

This is not even close to being a relevant concern. Coal is coal except in the finer details and it wouldn't explain as big as an advantage as there evidently seems to be.

Steel manufacturing is a litmus test for industrial capability and depends more on tools and talent than super-duper coal.
 
This is not even close to being a relevant concern. Coal is coal except in the finer details and it wouldn't explain as big as an advantage as there evidently seems to be.

Steel manufacturing is a litmus test for industrial capability and depends more on tools and talent than super-duper coal.

If Brazil's steel is primarily for the export market, wouldn't access to more expensive coal imply that Brazilian steel isn't as competitive on the world market? Additionally, Brazil's high standard of living implies higher wages, again making Brazilian exports less competitive on price (as compared to, say, quality)?
 
If Brazil's steel is primarily for the export market, wouldn't access to more expensive coal imply that Brazilian steel isn't as competitive on the world market? Additionally, Brazil's high standard of living implies higher wages, again making Brazilian exports less competitive on price (as compared to, say, quality)?

You'd export iron ore itself to other economies. Scandinavia would be doing the same thing, only with much less iron to export. In the raw material market, iron ore is a great export commodity. And seeing as Brazil has the steel edge on South America, and Argentina would need to import iron from Brazil and coal from somewhere. They are basically dependent on Brazil and imports to continue industrializing, while Brazil is self-sufficient at the root of it. Ideally, imports and exports would offset costs here and there, though, so Brazil wouldn't be completely locked domestically, even though in a pinch it could be.
 
If Brazil's steel is primarily for the export market, wouldn't access to more expensive coal imply that Brazilian steel isn't as competitive on the world market? Additionally, Brazil's high standard of living implies higher wages, again making Brazilian exports less competitive on price (as compared to, say, quality)?

True enough, but this wouldn't really impact how Brazil developed versus Scandinavia. This kind of information is useful in the micro sense, such as why is this or that Brazilian firm losing to this or that Scandinavian firm. But we want a developmental perspective. To wit, we want to consider inaugural heavy industry policies, the ability to originate new technologies and methods of mining, and overall efficiency. Regardless of whether the product is globally competitive, success in these measures tell us more about Brazil's ability to succeed as an industrial power than her access to good coal.

And more of this expensive/cheap labor paradigms. I don't get it! There's more to overhead costs than labor. Even if Brazilian workers are better paid, if that is indeed because they are productive enough to earn that pay, then they are no less competitive than foreign workers of the same vocation.
 
To my knowledge Scandinavian workers are not properly paid, except that they are paid in stock within their labor union, which can be used to purchase goods and services from other labor unions. I imagine they can withdraw their stock for Republikdalers, though.

As far as the development of Scandinavian industry... Narvik and Umea are the Scandinavian equivalents of Pittsburgh and Gary, Indiana. When large-scale steel manufacturing began in earnest in Scandinavia, immediately prior to the BT, Narvik (as a mining town) expanded rapidly and became host to various facilities, factories, etc, etc. Umea grew as a result, being the most direct link to the Gulf of Bothnia and the Baltic Sea, the next link in the route to Helsinki and Stockholm. Factories sprung up throughout Stockholm, Helsinki, Oslo, etc for the manufacture of steel products, especially small arms, military equipment and industrial equipment. Scandinavia has the world's most advanced and oldest steel and consumer goods industry.
 
The following are nations that were considered the Nine Great Powers of 1900. These are the total casualties they have suffered in the past nearly 40 years. Note that this does not include casualties caused by events that qualified as unrest, only full blown wars.

Spain: 2,907,400
United States: 4,470,800
Japan: 3,075,700
Britain: 1,463,000
Russia: 7,396,500
F-B Confederation (and Successors): 4,658,900
Poland: 1,465,400
Netherlands: 920,900
Scandinavia: 344,600

All include factions within various civil conflicts that did not achieve independence, with exception of Confederate successor states. For those curious, the nations which qualify as the Nine Great Powers now, at least in terms of stats and international public view would be the following:

Russia
Germany
Britain
Japan
Italy
Scandinavia
Brazil
Argentina
Vinland
 
In a world where Canada is more powerful than the US... :lol:
 
EQ, which is the most powerful nation in sub-sahara Africa?

I myself believe that it should be Central Africa, now that I have bought Ovambo land and have gained access to the sea.
 
Holy moly we are in the big boy club now! :wow:

No you aren't good sir, appointment onto an arbitrary list does not a great power Vinland make ;)

My point of course being that the idea of "nine great powers" is utterly meaningless realistically with no practical significance whatsoever in terms of how people should conceive of global affairs. What people should be really thinking about is "the big three" (Russia, Britain and Germany), as the key players of the international multipolar order, with each of these powers serving as a "pole" around which various forms of bonds revolve (excluding the isolate anomalies, such as the moralist and trad-prole groupings, although even they have linkages to these poles, and in a sense revolve around how they interact). The other six powers in all this are a whole tier below these nations in terms of relative power.

Each of the six taken separately I would also hasten to add, cannot be said to be a major independent factors in global order-making terms (whereas Britain, Germany and Russia clearly are, as any reasonable observer of the games world should note) with their influence being regionally restricted (or in the case of Scandinavia contingent on ideological influence) apart from associations with other middling or lower powers, or one or another of the great powers. Some states amongst them (Brazil and Argentina come to mind) have the potential to ascend in position as our currently very unstable world order as changes inexorable march continues (two of the three great powers have economic troubles, and the other is very unstable due to rampant poverty and other factors) of course however.
 
Of course the list is arbitrary. I don't think anyone would claim that Vinland is Britain/Germany/Russia-tier. We're a regional power, at best, but it's interesting that we've grown to the point where we might be considered amongst the second-tier group.
 
true enough, although how much of your regional status is due to the stupidity driven suicide of all of your major neighbours is an open question no? Your economy most definitely has benefited from the destruction wrought elsewhere.

Either way there is a lesson here in that Vinland has been quite wise to date in avoiding entangling conflicts.
 
My point of course being that the idea of "nine great powers" is utterly meaningless realistically with no practical significance whatsoever in terms of how people should conceive of global affairs. What people should be really thinking about is "the big three" (Russia, Britain and Germany), as the key players of the international multipolar order, with each of these powers serving as a "pole" around which various forms of bonds revolve (excluding the isolate anomalies, such as the moralist and trad-prole groupings, although even they have linkages to these poles, and in a sense revolve around how they interact). The other six powers in all this are a whole tier below these nations in terms of relative power.

How do you mean? International relations form consistently outside of power axes and are only disrupted by conscious effort on the part of said axes.
 
How do you mean? International relations form consistently outside of power axes and are only disrupted by conscious effort on the part of said axes.

I'm not talking about power axes as order forming agents, but rather as central poles around which the current international order is arranged (the "Is" of the current state of affairs as I see it, not the "how"). These poles didn't necessarily form the order, and the order might endure a change in the current constellation of powers, but they do dominate its strategic considerations in the present. These poles possess bonds (strong, weak and antipathic) with states within and without of their "spheres" which are the primary drivers as I see it of current world affairs.

So to give an example of this, there is a clear Russian pole (one of three as I see it), around which various satellites orbit (in eastern Europe, Kazakhstan and so forth) which could be classified as strong bonds, weaker bonds also exist between Russia and states like Ascendant China, the United States as well. Together they can be said to form a Russian Sphere, ergo the part of the world where Russia is the strongest great power (positive*) influence on lesser states behaviours. However Antipathic bonds exist as well, between Scandinavia and Russia, the Proletarist States of America and the United States (and Russia) and so forth where Russia may be the strongest (negative*) influence. These bonds are formed in reaction to the agency and strategic realities of the Russian sphere and serve as an axis around which international events pivot (not the only one though).

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~note: positive and negative used in the sense of "negative" being a response against, and "positive" being a response towards.

I'm not sure that's at all accurate, Jehoshua. I'd say all those powers have serious international influence or the potential for it, perhaps excepting Argentina and Vinland. I'd say that Brazil and Japan each have more practical influcence than Germany, for that matter.

Germany is interesting in that its influence (enacted, or rather not, through active agency) is precipitously declining due to a lack of will on its part (as I see it). Very, very recently in game terms Germany clearly had a sphere in the line of the Russian or British spheres which serves as a main pivot of global international relations. This being evident in the war in France which established Germany as the Hegemon of Western Europe (with Italy as a junior partner). Its been a real failure of German foreign policy that its failed to leverage its still powerful economic and military position into sustaining its hegemonic role, and political influence.

That said influence (not to be confused with loud-bluster) is not everything (noting the lesser powers are far weaker on real terms than Germany), and the German hegemonic sphere has not yet reached the point of total collapse (and can easily be revived by a more publically assertive and active Germany I think). So I think as of the current capto-iugulum year its still fair to speak of three main poles, even if the German pole is at best in the throes of a serious illness.
 
I'm not sure that's at all accurate, Jehoshua. I'd say all those powers have serious international influence or the potential for it, perhaps excepting Argentina and Vinland. I'd say that Brazil and Japan each have more practical influcence than Germany, for that matter.
 
I believe that Central Africa, as the strongest and largest African state, and having as it's client Ovamboland and having as an ally Botswana, should be on that list.
 
Africa is a barbaric cesspit of bickering savages, and will likely remain as such for the foreseeable future. Chokweland is merely the [edit: not-strongest] power in the weakest neighbourhood, and lacks hard power on an objective global criterion, or indeed influence beyond the schoolyard bickering that is African international politics.
 
Africa is a barbaric cesspit of bickering savages, and will likely remain as such for the foreseeable future. Ovamboland is merely the strongest power in the weakest neighbourhood, and lacks hard power on an objective global criterion, or indeed influence beyond the schoolyard bickering that is African international politics.

Ovamboland is a great power. REMOVE CRACKER remove cracker from premises.

Seriously though, I'm fairly certain christos is joking.
 
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