Capto Iugulum

[Jehoshua]

Brazil is not the Apostate Britain, they may be allied with said country in conflict, but we would like to think they have independent thought apart from the inane utterances of their current ally.

As to the rescinding of the declaration, I believe it was part of the alliance wide assertion of neutrality which automatically rescinded it, or if not Brazils recent assertion that it is in fact rescinded would seem to fulfil such a statement.

 

[Luckymoose]

TO: Franco-Burgundy
FROM: Brazil

The Sardinians will be at the mercy of the waves if they deny us safe passage. Do not bring them into your conflict for your own selfish desires. Now get back in line and wait for defeat like everyone else that walked into my house.

 

[spryllino]

OOC: Where is this alliance-wide assertion of neutrality?

 

[Luckymoose]

OOC: Where is this alliance-wide assertion of neutrality?

OOC: You should know very well what goes on behind closed doors does not always see the light of day.

 

[spryllino]

A declaration of war is a public act. It cannot be reversed except by a public denunciation of that declaration, or by a peace treaty. Any other protocol is absurd.

 

[Luckymoose]

A declaration of war is a public act. It cannot be reversed except by a public denunciation of that declaration, or by a peace treaty. Any other protocol is absurd.

Hungary's declaration of neutrality is our public announcement. Not all nations must do so.

 

[Jehoshua]

A declaration of war is a public act. It cannot be reversed except by a public denunciation of that declaration, or by a peace treaty. Any other protocol is absurd.

point, on the ground fact is what matters and if Brazil acts like a neutral and we are at de-facto peace, what is the matter if its only an armistice or a cease fire instead of an official peace declaration? And as stated, the pact wide thing fulfilled the signing of a peace.

 

[spryllino]

To Brazil and the Pope
From the Confederation

Very well. If His Holiness is satisfied by the notion that he is (publicly at least) at war with Brazil but yet that Brazil is neutral, then there is no reason why this should bother the Confederation. Given that we have now been enlightened on the nature of these peculiar dealings, which reasonably puzzled us as they are distinctly unorthodox, we see no reason to inquire any further. Thank you for informing us.

 

[Crezth]

OOC: Regardless, Britain did not follow Brazil to war, and in fact other members of the alliance repudiated any sort of involvement.

Finally, Britain guaranteed Naples' independence at least two years ago with the Spanish affairs, so its involvement upon threats of destruction can hardly be called unprecedented. It may have an ulterior motive but it isn't like there was no prior warning considering Britain was ready to go to war with a much more powerful nation than the Papal States over the issue.

 

[theDright]

Argentina had assumed that the Hungarian rescinding of their declaration had applied to the entirety of the Allies at the time. Argentina certainly does not believe that it is at war with the Papal States.

 

[Jehoshua]

The Papal States is at peace with Brazil, since Brazil both recently and via Hungary's declaration has made itself known to be at peace.

Incidentally the current reaffirmation of peace necessitates a lifting of the excommunication that was laid over the leadership of Brazil in response to its declaration of war against the Holy See, since it has reconciled itself to the Church. Naturally any resumption of blatant aggression would reverse the situation, although it is our hope that Brazil has better things to do than interfere in the internal affairs of the Italian region.

Also again to reiterate, the excommunication remains on the members of the government of Naples for the reason of attacking the sovereignty of the Church through its subversive efforts in assistance of the purpose of italian unification and its eventual goal of destroying the Church's lands, and thus its independence from the domination of the powers.

 

[Circuit]

To: Sardinia, Papal States, and other concerned parties in Italy
From: United States of America

The United States has little interest in Italian affairs, but we will look negatively upon any aggressive action taken upon the Brazilian fleet, as that fleet ultimately would be acting in a manner that would further our interests. It's silly to suggest that the Sardinians could not guarantee the safety of a peaceful movement of the Brazilian fleet, as Sardinia should use the same methods to determine the aggression of any fleet no matter what fleet that would be. And Brazil certainly isn't going to lower their flag and pretend they will be any nation who would be aggressive to Sardinia. They could easily be identified.

We almost suspect Sardinia desires to take sides against the Allies without directly declaring their intention to do so. We are not fools. This Sardinian declaration that Brazil moves at their own risk with regards to the Sardinian fleet is aggressive, and no Allied nation will be sympathetic to the Sardinians, to the point of declaring Sardinia to be an enemy of the Allied cause and treating her as all enemies of the Allies will be treated, should the Sardinians cause an incident.

 

[Crezth]

Incidentally the current reaffirmation of peace necessitates a lifting of the excommunication that was laid over the leadership of Brazil in response to its declaration of war against the Holy See, since it has reconciled itself to the Church. Naturally any resumption of blatant aggression would reverse the situation, although it is our hope that Brazil has better things to do than interfere in the internal affairs of the Italian region.

OOC: I suppose now is as good a time as any to mention that the Papacy is all but irrelevant in South America. >_>

 

[Jehoshua]

To the United States of America
CC: The Italian States excepting Naples and Brazil
From: The Papal States

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The Papal States believes that Sardinia means no aggression against the Brazilian fleet, and that it is merely concerned at the possibility of unintended incidents leading to discord between it and Brazil. Furthermore in saying it cannot guarantee the safety of a peaceful movement Sardinia is merely acknowledging fact. Spain is a power in the region and Brazil is at war with Spain, the Sardinian fleet can hardly provide 100% security for the scenario that a spanish force becomes involved while it is travelling through the Neapolitan warzone.

Either way, the Papal States doubts Sardinia will act aggressively towards the Brazilian fleet unless there is some sort of hostile action from it, or unless an accident or engagement that somehow brings in the Brazilian fleet unintentionally. Sardinia has already stated that the safety of the fleet and its crew is its prime concern, what reason is there to doubt its own words?

Regardless, this matter from this time henceforth should be considered a bilateral affair between Sardinia and Brazil. If nothing comes from it good, if some accident does (God forbid) occur than Im sure diplomacy can rule the day.

The papal states will now take its leave from this discussion

~Pope Leo XIV

OOC: I suppose now is as good a time as any to mention that the Papacy is all but irrelevant in South America. >_>

token acts Crezth

and besides although the papal states may be irrelevant to South America, but I was going on the presumption that the Catholic Church is still somewhat relevant (which it should be historically, and I didn't note any mass conversions in the updates for this thread.)

 

[TheLizardKing]

From: Austria
To: Concerned Parties

Should trends persist, you can count on less Austrian support. We have done our best to stay out of conflict with the two warring power blocks. If the Brazilians wish to sail around the Mediterranean, let them do so. So long as they aren't supporting the Neapolitans, and leaving, we suggest leaving them to their own affairs. We aren't drawing ourselves into a larger war such a trivial matter.

 

[Luckymoose]

and besides although the papal states may be irrelevant to South America, but I was going on the presumption that the Catholic Church is still somewhat relevant (which it should be historically, and I didn't note any mass conversions in the updates for this thread.)

We're catholic, just not devoted to the Pope as much as, say, Spain. It is all due to the Pope backing the continents main enemy.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: thats only natural of course, although at the moment I am neutral in regards to the conflict between the Spanish Bloc, and the bloc with the Brits in it I suppose I have to roll with it considering everything that happened before was out of my control

(and I will NEVER forgive the person who had this wonderful position and squandered it and left the papal states in its weakened polarised state)

anyways excoms are lifted so any effect that would of had on you is minimised.

 

[Circuit]

...ahem...

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: IT WAS YOU!!!! *scoffs dissaprovingly*

 

[Crezth]

token acts Crezth

and besides although the papal states may be irrelevant to South America, but I was going on the presumption that the Catholic Church is still somewhat relevant (which it should be historically, and I didn't note any mass conversions in the updates for this thread.)

Well it's fair to mention that IIRC less than half of all Catholics pay the pope any respect ITL. It's a lot more decentralized.