No, we don't object to your alliance in principle; rather, we heavily suspect that Brandenburg is going to be encouraged by it to make aggressive moves towards German unification, and also suspect that you may use this alliance as a pretext for supporting them in their aggression. If we are mistaken, then there is nothing wrong with your alliance; but we think we are right, and you have said or done very little to allay our concerns on this point.
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Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
To: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Brandenburg
From: Denmark
Denmark finds it crucial to note that the most important thing here is maintaing the balance of power. It is crucial that the balance of power in Europe is maintained at all costs. This petition merely asks that Britain take steps to ensure that its ally Brandenburg does not upset the careful balance that the governments of Europe have maintained, in order to promote peace and security in Europe for future generations.
From: Denmark
Denmark finds it crucial to note that the most important thing here is maintaing the balance of power. It is crucial that the balance of power in Europe is maintained at all costs. This petition merely asks that Britain take steps to ensure that its ally Brandenburg does not upset the careful balance that the governments of Europe have maintained, in order to promote peace and security in Europe for future generations.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Triple Alliance
FROM: Brazil
Shut up, whiners.
FROM: Brazil
Shut up, whiners.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
On the contrary: that is exactly what you are doing. The idea of Brandenburg allying with any power or powers is, to you, an act of aggression - it is implicitly aggressive because of your paranoid delusion that Brandenburg will act on its claims, even though they have given altogether no indication of an inclination to do so.
We reiterate, the alliance has no offensive designs. It is meant purely for defensive purposes.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
OOC: Sure. After all, its not like cascading alliance structures and complex networks of obligation to maintain a balance of power has ever gone wrong for anyone, ever.
TheLastJacobite
No Commies
To United Kingdom
From Russia
Our concern is less the alliance itself and more to do with Brandenburg's inflammatory and aggressive behavior in recent years in regards to Pomerania and German nationalism. We are concerned that they will continue to destabilize the region, using their alliance with the United Kingdom as a shield preventing anyone from deterring them in pursuing their aggressive agenda.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
And what would you have us do? Toss them out? Speak harshly against them? We have no plans to further the agenda of German nationalism nor do we plan to permit Brandenburg's continued "aggression," as those without the stomach for diplomacy have termed it. You may see this alliance as reining in that enthusiasm for our collective good.
Brandenburg feels that Spain, a nation who has replaced a government far outside of their sphere of influence in the form of Turkey, repressed Sicilians for decades, and threatened to burn the coast of Naples is a far greater threat to the balance of power than Brandenburg ever could be. Further more, to the Russians, the last time we checked, Brandenburg has not expanded at all in the past few decades, while Austria has annexed Bavaria, Spain has threatened to burn Naples and then demanded tribute, and you have annexed the colony of New Britain. Where has Brandenburg acted "aggressively". By telling the Scandinavians that Pomerania might not want the Scandinavian overlords? We fail to see the "aggression" in that
Lord of Elves
Suede-Denim Secret Police
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From: Empire of Scandinavia
To: Who It May Concern
CC: Members of the League of the Three Emperors, Triple Alliance, Spain
If it is indeed not within the will of Brandenburg to upset the balance of power and stability of Europe, then we see no reason why they should not be allowed to prove the truth of their words. We will judge Brandenburg, its intentions and the intentions of her allies, based on their actions. Therefore, should Brandenburg not act in favor of the violence of the German Brotherhood and other pan-nationalist organizations, we will wave their vitriol and anti-Scandinavian bombast.
To: Who It May Concern
CC: Members of the League of the Three Emperors, Triple Alliance, Spain
If it is indeed not within the will of Brandenburg to upset the balance of power and stability of Europe, then we see no reason why they should not be allowed to prove the truth of their words. We will judge Brandenburg, its intentions and the intentions of her allies, based on their actions. Therefore, should Brandenburg not act in favor of the violence of the German Brotherhood and other pan-nationalist organizations, we will wave their vitriol and anti-Scandinavian bombast.
I am confirming what TLJ has stated. The update deadline is now Wednesday, not Tuesday.
@Grandkhan: Manpower is NOT included from the colonies in your main stats. They are representative of individuals in said colonies who are willing/able to join your military from that region. On the other hand, EP IS included in the overall portion at the top of your stats.
To: Argentina and Brazil
From: True Colombian President Francisco Martos
Elections have failed, and my opponent has clearly determined to forsake the electoral process for his own aims. As a clear proletarian revolutionary, he obviously seeks to overthrow our stalwart republic for his ideals. We will drive him into the sea to restore the republic!
To: Argentina and Brazil
From: Abelardo Cabeza de Vaca, True Colombian President
Elections have failed, and my opponent has clearly determined to forsake the electoral process for his own aims. He is a tyrannical despot, aimed at gratifying his own position and glory over the will of the people. As the rightfully elected presidential candidate, we will reclaim Bogota and restore the republic.
To: United States of America
From: Venezuela
We are delighted to improve our friendship with our neighbors to the north. We agree to join the proposed Lotus Pact.
To: United States of America
From: Chile
We have no interest in siding with your government in any way at this time. We will not be joining the Lotus Pact.
@Grandkhan: Manpower is NOT included from the colonies in your main stats. They are representative of individuals in said colonies who are willing/able to join your military from that region. On the other hand, EP IS included in the overall portion at the top of your stats.
To: Argentina and Brazil
From: True Colombian President Francisco Martos
Elections have failed, and my opponent has clearly determined to forsake the electoral process for his own aims. As a clear proletarian revolutionary, he obviously seeks to overthrow our stalwart republic for his ideals. We will drive him into the sea to restore the republic!
To: Argentina and Brazil
From: Abelardo Cabeza de Vaca, True Colombian President
Elections have failed, and my opponent has clearly determined to forsake the electoral process for his own aims. He is a tyrannical despot, aimed at gratifying his own position and glory over the will of the people. As the rightfully elected presidential candidate, we will reclaim Bogota and restore the republic.
To: United States of America
From: Venezuela
We are delighted to improve our friendship with our neighbors to the north. We agree to join the proposed Lotus Pact.
To: United States of America
From: Chile
We have no interest in siding with your government in any way at this time. We will not be joining the Lotus Pact.
We have not been sending settlers to Georgia. If they have moved by their own free will that has been their own decision, we have not backed any movement of settlers to Georgia from the Roman Empire, nor even encouraged such actions.
@EQ: I addressed some diplomacy to Milan a few pages back. Could I have a reply please?
To Britain
From the Confederation
You seem to think we understand something other by the term "act of aggression" than what we actually mean by it. We assure you in the plainest terms that, according to our definition of "act of aggression", you have not committed one, and that your actions rather come under the heading of "highly suspicious acts".
You imply that you do not think that Brandenburg intends to act on its claims. We will be more inclined to believe this when we actually hear it from Brandenburg.
To Britain
From the Confederation
You seem to think we understand something other by the term "act of aggression" than what we actually mean by it. We assure you in the plainest terms that, according to our definition of "act of aggression", you have not committed one, and that your actions rather come under the heading of "highly suspicious acts".
You imply that you do not think that Brandenburg intends to act on its claims. We will be more inclined to believe this when we actually hear it from Brandenburg.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
To: The United Kingdom of Great Britain
From: Denmark
The open petition merely asks that you do exactly that. You seem to have misunderstood it. The petition is not a threat or warning against Great Britain, Poland, Hungary, or Georgia - it merely asks that you affirm your commitment to the balance of power in Europe and, if push comes to shove, take diplomatic action to maintain it if Brandenburg upsets the status quo in Pommerania.
The petition is not a threat towards the Krakow Pact, only an appeal to the interests of all of Europe to reign in Brandenburg in some of its more wanton and destabilising actions.
erez87
Lord of Random
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OOC what's so bad about a world war?OOC: Sure. After all, its not like cascading alliance structures and complex networks of obligation to maintain a balance of power has ever gone wrong for anyone, ever.
Brandenburg would like to note to Franco-Burgundy that as a free and independent nation, we are allowed to enter agreements as we please, and seeing how all of our neighbors joined alliance blocs fairly quickly and no one offered Brandenburg an invitation to any of these groups, we found allies that would be of assistance to us. Until you repudiate the disgusting doctrine that blames Brandenburg for various forms of aggression and that frames Brandenburg as responsible for the murders in Pomerania, we have nothing further to say to you.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: Confederation, Denmark
From: Britain
It should go without saying that we are wholeheartedly committed to maintaining the balance of power. Our alliance with Poland is a direct result of that commitment, and our alliance with Brandenburg is out of a desire to prevent Central Europe from becoming a neutral battleground, or one which is preyed upon by other powers at a whim.
The status quo is good. We will maintain it at all costs.
From: Britain
It should go without saying that we are wholeheartedly committed to maintaining the balance of power. Our alliance with Poland is a direct result of that commitment, and our alliance with Brandenburg is out of a desire to prevent Central Europe from becoming a neutral battleground, or one which is preyed upon by other powers at a whim.
The status quo is good. We will maintain it at all costs.
ZeletDude
The Lion
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To: Brandenburg
From: The Republic of The Netherlands
CC: Denmark, The Franco-Burugundy Confederation
No one is disputing the fact that you have the right to ally your self with other nations, quite the opposite. Rather we are worried that you may use this alliance as an avenue for your continued aggression, and destabilization of the region. If you can prove that neither of these can occur, then be our guest and ally with who you want.
From: The Republic of The Netherlands
CC: Denmark, The Franco-Burugundy Confederation
No one is disputing the fact that you have the right to ally your self with other nations, quite the opposite. Rather we are worried that you may use this alliance as an avenue for your continued aggression, and destabilization of the region. If you can prove that neither of these can occur, then be our guest and ally with who you want.
Milarqui
Deity
To: Brandenburg, United Kingdom
From: Empire of Spain
We are glad that you are finally understanding the actual meaning of our previous message, and hope that Brandenburg will, indeed, not use the alliance with the United Kingdom to destabilize the region.
From: Empire of Spain
We are glad that you are finally understanding the actual meaning of our previous message, and hope that Brandenburg will, indeed, not use the alliance with the United Kingdom to destabilize the region.
We take offense to this, as we have never even started aggression. Was it not Franco-Burgundy and the Netherlands who consumed the Polish Empire? Did that not upset the balance of power? The only time Brandenburg has acted in any way in war was when Austria annexed Bavaria, something we are sure many of you would decry as a violation of a balance of power. No, Brandenburg has done nothing to warrant this type of treatment from the International Community. As a statement to ALL nations that have signed the Spanish decleration, it was YOU who entered these alliances to start with, it was YOU who perpetuated multiple wars of aggression, be it the Second Orleans War, the Italian Crusade, the War for Prussia, the War for New Britain, the War for the Polish colonies, and countless others, while all Brandenburg has done has tried to prevent Austria from annexing Bavaria. Where were the knights of the "Balance of Power" then, hmm? Why did you give a free hand to Austria, while condemn Brandenburg from speaking out against Scandinavian enslavement of Pomerania?
If you want to decry those as wars of the past, then I can give you modern examples too. Russia actively encourages her settlers to drive into Georgia, hoping to draw the nation into her Empire. The Roman Empire has moved a massive force to the Hungarian border. Spain has displaced the Sultan of Turkey for an INKLING that Rome may have been involved in the Sicilian incident. Franco-Burgundy and Russia have moved thousands of troops to the East, putting a marked increase of pressure on the Empire of Japan. Is the irony not lost on you? You are the ones making these aggresive tactics, Brandenburg has no choice but to align herself with someone in case you vultures turn your eyes upon Berlin.
Brandenburg, from this point on, will make no promises whatsoever on the point of diplomacy outside of the nations of the Krakow Pact, until the Spanish declaration is rescinded and Brandenburg can conduct diplomacy like any other nation in the world.
