Castle doctrine has another success

[Borachio]

If it comes down to it yes. If I came downstairs and there was a man with a big machete and he noticed me and charged at me I would shoot to kill. If he stood still I would tell him to drop it or i will kill him. Simples. He gets to choose whether he lives or die.
It's a far, FAR more effective method then making a lot of noise upstairs and hoping to god the criminal runs away.

Why not shoot him non-fatally? Like in the hand. Presumably you don't live in a mansion, so I would think you'd be within 10 feet of this machete armed individual. Could you not hit him in the hand or the foot?

What kind of a thief goes armed with a machete? Outside of Africa and Mexico, I guess.

Have you actually handled a hand gun, Quackers? I know I haven't. I have no wish to do so. Scary, metallic things.

There's something very phallic about shooting people which is a bit weird, to be honest. Very suspect all together.

 

[Quackers]

Why not shoot him non-fatally? Like in the hand. Presumably you don't live in a mansion, so I would think you'd be within 10 feet of this machete armed individual. Could you not hit him in the hand or the foot?

What kind of a thief goes armed with a machete? Outside of Africa and Mexico, I guess.

Have you actually handled a hand gun, Quackers? I know I haven't. I have no wish to do so. Scary, metallic things.

There's something very phallic about shooting people which is a bit weird, to be honest. Very suspect all together.

I don't know what I will do in the heat of the moment. Ideally i would shoot him in the leg as long as it demobolises the individual and defangs him. Yet, i've heard from those who've handled a gun that such aiming is impractical in the heat of the moment and to secure your safety you have to hit them anywhere in the torso, ideally, which unfortunately can be fatal.
I've never handled a gun but i used to play around with BB guns and the like
Whats so penislike about shooting people? When it gets to pscyhology it all comes down to sex, what a load of BS ;P


You've really got to man up Borachio. You gotta accept the unpredictability and irrationality of the world and be prepared to deal with it. This doesn't mean you become a paranoid maniac whose afraid of his own shadow and lives in fear of criminals - just that your prepared and able to defend your life when it comes to it.

 

[Borachio]

Well, it's a tube and bullets come out of the end of it when you get excited. How much more overtly sexual do things get?

(Apart from the sweet kind of loving that I'm naturally quite expert in. So I'm told, anyway. After a lady has tasted of my skills once she never asks again. So plainly plenty satisfied.)

I've heard that the true pistol artist goes for the head shot. You never know if your assailant is wired with bombs and stuff, and the head shot is the best way to minimize the risk of getting blown up.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Heh, Freud famously (falsely) made a connection between fear of weapons and sexual immaturity. Of course he said a lot quaky things so a lot of people believe it.

 

[Borachio]

What? Quaky or Quacky?


What do you say, Quackers?


The Ancient Greeks, they of the 300, maintained that you should engage physically with the opposition. Bows and arrows were not for real men, as you assailed your enemy from afar. Would they say the same of the gun?

 

[Bugfatty300]

What? Quaky or Quacky?

Quacky.

The Ancient Greeks, they of the 300, maintained that you should engage physically with the opposition. Bows and arrows were not for real men, as you assailed your enemy from afar. Would they say the same of the gun?

Neither. I'd prefer to run away when thousands of angry Persians are coming at me.

 

[Borachio]

I understand running away wasn't a recognized tactic under the Spartan regime. Indeed, I think they frowned severely at such a notion.

 

[Crezth]

What if I'm assaulted by 5 million armed Chinamen? Clearly the right to own and operate nuclear armaments is necessary for my survival.

 

[Bugfatty300]

What if I'm assaulted by 5 million armed Chinamen? Clearly the right to own and operate nuclear armaments is necessary for my survival.

What if those 5 million armed Chinamen turn out to be some innocent drunk person who mistakenly entered the wrong house?

 

[Borachio]

Look.

Now.

Come on. You're not getting this whole self-defence schtick.

 

[dutchfire]

What if 5 million innocent drunk armed Chinamen mistakenly enter your house? Eh?

 

[Crezth]

What if those 5 million armed Chinamen turn out to be some innocent drunk person who mistakenly entered the wrong house?

Ahahaha you got me.

 

[Borachio]

Nuke 'em, right? Nuke 'em dead, right there in your front room. Self-defence is self-defence.

 

[ace99]

Why not shoot him non-fatally? Like in the hand. Presumably you don't live in a mansion, so I would think you'd be within 10 feet of this machete armed individual. Could you not hit him in the hand or the foot?

What kind of a thief goes armed with a machete? Outside of Africa and Mexico, I guess.

Have you actually handled a hand gun, Quackers? I know I haven't. I have no wish to do so. Scary, metallic things.

There's something very phallic about shooting people which is a bit weird, to be honest. Very suspect all together.

You shoot for center mass. Trying to shoot someone in the arm or foot will get you killed. In fact chances are shooting for center mass may not even stop someone. People don't go flying backwards or drop like bricks when they get shot. Chances are if you're in a gun fight your aiming will be nowhere near as good as it was in the shooting range. Shoot for an arm or leg and you might miss and it probably won't stop them.

Real life isn't the movies. People don't drop just because they get hit by a bullet. People have been shot and not even noticed it until it's pointed out that they're bleeding. The human body is nowhere near as fragile as movies and tv make it out to be.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Nuke 'em, right? Nuke 'em dead, right there in your front room. Self-defence is self-defence.

Obviously. Average military response time is 24 hours. By the time they'd get there you'd already be speaking Mandarin and cooking your dog/cat in the microwave.

 

[Borachio]

A lot depends on the calibre. Doesn't it?

I favour the old knock 'em over the head with a lump of wood technique. Silent, deadly, highly effective, especially when they're looking the other way.

edit: you naturally have your own portable nuke, in the bedroom closet. Hear a noise, creep downstairs, nuke the baskets.

 

[Crezth]

That's why I always go for headshots, don't come out of cover until my shields recharge, and hop like a bunny while reloading.

 

[Borachio]

Israeli military favour headshots for the suspect bomber. Can't see why it shouldn't work fine for domestic use. Target 10 feet away. I reckon I could hit it. Oh, 4 times out of 5.

 

[Bugfatty300]

You go for headshots so you will kill them instantly. That way they don't have a chance to Alt-F4 and you'll be able to loot their bodies for beans.

 

[Grisu]

Well I haven't mentioned anything about guns.

well you said something about heaviest available weapon so I just assumed you meant guns....going down to check armed with a kitchen knife would be beyond stupid.

If you bring your gun down you will likely face two scenarios. You shoot to kill straight away, or you immediately threaten to shoot and the burglar surrenders or attacks you, then you revert to shooting. Either way you have maximised your own personal safety.
Getting your gun out is not the first act of agression. The first was the intruder breaking into your home and violating your human right; getting your gun out is meeting that initial agression with overwhelming force to secure your own safety. I'll leave the rights and wrongs of that up to you. But would I feel safer if I know i could rely on a handgun in my bedside locker if i ever heard an intruder? Yes probably - would it make me paranoid? Hopefully not
You will have to carefull explain to me why having a weapon close at hand is equally as safe as having nothing at all. To me thats not evident.

you forgot the option where he shoots first But my point was, in all likelyhood, the intruder isn't seeking confrontation (I might be just assuming out of my butt, but afaik the vast majority of murders don't happen during break-ins). By going down with your gun out, you're forcing confrontation, increasing the likelyhood that somebody gets shot (if you're lucky the perpetrator, if not, yourself or other occupants of your house). waiting (with your gun or not) seems the much safer route to me

So always assume they're benign or always assume they're dangerous? What's wrong with being armed and discretionary?

It seems like everyone here is brainstorming situations that fit their own opinions while ignoring everything else.

And it's not like it matters anyway. Simply possessing a gun in the home for self-defense is not an automatic endorsement of shooting first and asking questions later.

pretty much what I've been trying to say, though probably not really successfully. What I mean is that owning a gun itself won't increase or decrease your personal safety. What matters most is how you use it, and reckless/aggressive use seems to me to go more towards less safety