Change the system
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CurtSibling
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You can't beat the system.
You have to work around it.
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You have to work around it.
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Neonanocyborgasm
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zeon252 said:
It's been true throughout history that young men will join any military where they know that they will be promoted on merit. It has been a useful means of gaining wealth and priviledge when one comes from a humble background. There is no difference here. Too bad that there's a war and they have to fight. They knew that when they signed up, they may be called upon to do so. It's too late to whine about it now.
Fact is that the US military is completely voluntary, so no one has cause to complain about recruitment. It is also a fact that the military likes it that way. If you force people to enlist against their will, you decrease morale in the army.
boarder
King
I would agree that it seems to be a good way out for people from poorer backgrounds, as they can get a trade and dont need much education and its a good career.
I dont think this is a bad thing, simply that better educated have more choices.
I dont think this is a bad thing, simply that better educated have more choices.
Viva la Revolution! Down with the bourgeiouse, up with the proletariat! Comrade Howard Dean, for Chairman!
I think you're paranoid. The military is actually a very good way to earn money for college; if you don't want to see ground combat, join the Air Force or Navy, or a non-combatant job in the Army or Marines.
I think you're paranoid. The military is actually a very good way to earn money for college; if you don't want to see ground combat, join the Air Force or Navy, or a non-combatant job in the Army or Marines.
You can't change human nature. Some will always be poor. Best let nature be nature and not try to interfere with the invisible hand of the market. When government gets involved, or the system changed, balances are overturned and things get messy very quickly.
Sad truths. More evidence this world is not what it's supposed to be.
Sad truths. More evidence this world is not what it's supposed to be.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
sysyphus said:
Down with the establishment, dwn with the man. No more authority!
Had to get it out of my system. Anyways, here's a good quote pertaining to this subject:
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Gandhi
This is why we need more help for the poor and uneducated, so they don't get trapped with only one path to follow.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
What system?
tomsnowman123 said:
You will find no one more for social justice than me, I just believe that the reality is that there will always be an authority, because there will always be people who will desire and gain power. The key is to remember that they can be influenced because depsite any amount of power one may have, they have to please alot of people to keep it, even common folk like us (we just have to be collective about it).
Why do you think they're constantly feeding us bs and spin? They wouldn't go through all the bother if they didn't have to.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
sysyphus said:
I hope that one day there will be no authority, and there will be social justice for all. Maybe I can help bring it about. Unlikely, but I have to try.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
ya know tom, i like you and all, but if someday in the future you are at the head of some massive destruction of all authority, I'ma be forced to shoot you. you realize this, no?
May that day never come
happy civving, and its not personal.
May that day never come
happy civving, and its not personal.tomsnowman123 said:
Authority is necessary, because humans left to themselves in total equality in their present state would be quick to exploit and destroy one another. There is no changing human nature, and thus, I'm afraid, the lack of authority is a vain and empty hope.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Cheezy the Wiz said:ya know tom, i like you and all, but if someday in the future you are at the head of some massive destruction of all authority, I'ma be forced to shoot you. you realize this, no?
May that day never come
Well, to each his own, but I can promise you my ways will never be violent. If I can help stop it, good, but I won't bomb anybody or anything.
And happy civing to you to.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
puglover said:
It may not be eradicated completely from humans to try to take advantage of others, but I think in the past it was close, the hunter-gatherers had a lifestyle where there was no organized violence, and lived without authority. It would take a lot of change and time, but again, one can hope.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
at least you dont go about killing civilians to get your aims across, thats more than some people can say *cough al-quadea cough*
its all in good fun tom
its all in good fun tom
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
puglover said:
True, we don't have factual evidence, but it can be argued that because of low population density and desperation to survive, there wouldn't have been any way to sustain long-term organized violence, or large scale organized violence.
Cheezy the Wiz said:
Cookies for all!
CoolioVonHoolio
Quit WoW, back to Civ.
wow what is this "change the system" thread... people in poor communities are probably there for a REASON! living off welfare is not a way to live if you are in a poor community it is probably because you, or your parents grandparents and further back were lazy and if the military is the only way out, than so be it. People need to think that if the military will get you into college you need to join for the sake of your future children
