My Generation (split from Election 2024)

[Core Imposter]

Carter had little to do with the inflation of the 1970s other than to try and fix it. In fact it was Carter who appointed Volker to the Fed and he was the guy who eventually ended it in 1982.

Conveniently left out that Carter, under pressure to fix the problem, and hoping to get reelected finally appointed Volker in July of 79. Democrats always do this stuff before elections, like, Biden suddenly wanted to do a border deal and somehow gas prices and inflation slows down right before the election. Just like Harris is now a fan of fracking and plastic straws.

 

[Core Imposter]

There is another difference between my generation and the more recent. My generation is more likely to defend unpopular opinions. This probably because in the days past we took the freedom of speech as a right to be defended in all spaces. And we will not compromise on that defense just to be accepted.

 

[Lexicus]

sleep with everybody

Yo don't hate the player, hate the game

 

[Birdjaguar]

Conveniently left out that Carter, under pressure to fix the problem, and hoping to get reelected finally appointed Volker in July of 79. Democrats always do this stuff before elections, like, Biden suddenly wanted to do a border deal and somehow gas prices and inflation slows down right before the election. Just like Harris is now a fan of fracking and plastic straws.

Carter lost the Nov.1980 election. Volcker was appointed in July 1979. 16 months prior to the election. Reagan didn't get a lock on the nomination until April 1980. In fact Carter nominated Volcker because William Miller had resigned to take a different job. It had nothing to do with the 1980 election.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

So, the younger generations have had the opportunity to go to college and sleep with everybody and everything and spend 4 years drunk and stoned and get a magic piece of paper that puts them in the front of the job line and live Godless lives, subsidized by my tax dollars.

First: I don't know what the college students you knew were like (by your own admission you never attended college, so you couldn't have known many), but most of the ones I knew were serious about their studies.

Granted, some did go wild with partying, and some ended up flunking out because of it. Some ended up on drugs, because my city is at the crossroads in the province. We're exactly halfway between the two major cities, and therefore a convenient place along the corridors of organized crime, whether drugs, guns, or sex trafficking. The neighborhood I lived in before moving to where I am now was at the hub of that; a murder in the next building, steady stream of cops to my building because of the couple upstairs, and being accosted by an addict at the bus stop made me realize I wasn't safe there and I took the first opportunity to move (only moved there in the first place because it was the only affordable place that allowed cats, and I was under a time crunch).

I spent 12 years as a home typist, and most of my clients were college and university students. I got to know some of them fairly well, if they were in the nursing or social work programs, and I had a couple of B.Ed. students, one of whom was determined to cram her 4-year degree into 3 years. She was taking 7 courses/semester when I was her typist, plus her practicum and part-time job. I have no idea when she ate or slept. Her work was always top-notch. I don't know if she succeeded at becoming a teacher, but if she did, she'd have done an excellent job at it.

I know for a fact that some of the nursing students succeeded, because I ran into them a few years later at the hospital when I had a 5-week stay. Nursing jobs were hard to come by locally in the '90s, given the government's habit of blowing up hospitals (literally) and then the nurses would have to leave Alberta to find jobs. One ended up in Texas (but returned after a few years; she contacted me to ask me to do her updated resume and said she hadn't liked working in the U.S.). Another one ended up in Ireland. These are reasons I told my MLA off when he came to my door to ask for my vote in the next provincial election. I told him that nurses shouldn't have to go all the way to Europe to get jobs that should be available here.

I learned a lot from the students I typed for. Doing papers for pharmacy students helped me spot a dosage error in one of my prescriptions. Doing papers for social work students gave me information I'd need for myself, years later when life went to hell.

These students were not wasting their time slacking off, and as for "Godless lives", what the actual (censored) does your religion have to do with this?

Nixon was a great president pulled down by the lousy Democrats for some minor thing that both parties do all the time...and who could blame the guy given that Joe Kennedy and the Democrats stole the 1960 election in Chicago!

Oh, wow. the 1960 election?

And I thought the "but-but-but-TRUDEAU!" (Pierre, not Justin) bunch here were obsessed with the past. Pierre Trudeau's been dead for 24 years, and retired from politics in the early 1980s. Yet people still obsess about him and even blame his son for things that happened then. It's ridiculous, to blame the current PM for stuff that happened before he was even 12 years old!

 

[Core Imposter]

Nixon was a criminal. No wonder you like him.

Have you ever looked into a guy named Lincoln? If you want to count up illegalities by a president there would be a start. Those Republicans!

 

[Voidwalkin]

bit of a bizarre take, music is finally getting good after being pretty terrible in the 2010s

I think Fever Ray came out in 09? It was a favorite.

Angel by Massive Attack was older.

Some of the more niche music I liked like A Day in Black and White were 00s-ish. Qotsa did Era Vulgaris in 08 which was probably my most listened to album. Volta was good.

Most of what I've heard since feels like Instagram reality. I don't think it captures the slow but stressful pace of life as well as older stuff did. I don't feel like it does at all, honestly.

I tried Lil Nas X, Juice Wrld and the like, but none of them had a song I felt equal to Memory Lane by OG Nas.

 

[Core Imposter]

First: I don't know what the college students you knew were like (by your own admission you never attended college, so you couldn't have known many), but most of the ones I knew were serious about their studies.

I knew plenty of college students between the ones I went to school with before they went off plus the ones I hired. You on the other hand, apparently only knew the insubstantial ones, those who couldn't even do their own typing. I think I hired a few of those. I know I fired them, the ones that couldn't do their own work.

 

[Takhisis]

I worked summers at age 10 on construction sites.

And this is good, I take it?

There is another difference between my generation and the more recent. My generation is more likely to defend unpopular opinions.

Or maybe it's that your opinions, as the world keeps on changing, are those of a slowly but steadily shrinking minority?

 

[Birdjaguar]

There is another difference between my generation and the more recent. My generation is more likely to defend unpopular opinions. This probably because in the days past we took the freedom of speech as a right to be defended in all spaces. And we will not compromise on that defense just to be accepted.

NC in the 50s 60s and 70s, was anything but free speech oriented, It was a segregationist state in a segregationist south that loved the likes of Jesse Helms George Wallace. Free speech was only permitted if it conformed to the local norm. Anything outside of that was shut down.

It was the Vietnam war that first split the boomer generation into progressives and conservatives. The culture wars of the late 60s and 70s finalized the break. This split became even more pronounced as the Tea Party emerged when Obama (a black man) was elected. The same conservatives and racists jumped at the chance to worship Trump.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Or maybe it's that your opinions, as the world keeps on changing, are those of a slowly but steadily shrinking minority?

I kinda feel the emergence and usage of based suggests there may be more difference between the public and private face than there was previously.

I feel like there is. I don't remember as much weighing and tactical insincerity at earlier points of my life. These things now feel pretty routine. Sometimes, I think something fairly controversial could be said by person A, and person B is tongue tied for a bit. They're weighing what to say and calculating the social ramifications. That gap period used to be .5 seconds, now it's .5 to 5.

I think it may be a consequence of how relationships have changed. I feel like they're fewer and less tight than past eras, and consequently people deal with a much more insecure social environment, which necessitates more care in navigation, if not more caution.

Which is not to say times haven't changed... they have, just that communal integrity has declined in roughly the same timeframe as progressive ascendancy(which tbh i think is more like capitalists ascendancy but that's too long a digression)

 

[Takhisis]

…I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

 

[Voidwalkin]

…I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

That his generation probably was more likely to share an unpopular opinion.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I knew plenty of college students between the ones I went to school with before they went off plus the ones I hired. You on the other hand, apparently only knew the insubstantial ones, those who couldn't even do their own typing. I think I hired a few of those. I know I fired them, the ones that couldn't do their own work.

It would be beneficial to climb off your self-erected pedestal to remember that back in the '80s and '90s, not everyone owned typewriters, let alone computers and printers, and they were godawful expensive back then. It's hardly "insubstantial" to go through the work of doing the research, writing the paper - in longhand - and then realize that you either don't have time to type the thing because your kids need you (some of my students were mothers; they weren't all 18-year-olds fresh out of high school), or you have a dozen more assignments you need to finish for other courses, or you have a job to get to, or you never took typing in the first place and don't know how to do it.

But then lo! you spot an ad on the bulletin board for a typist who charges a rate you can afford, and you discover it's someone who actually gives a damn about whether you pass or fail and therefore does a beyond-excellent job on the paper that could be worth a significant chunk of your final grade. The typist you chose was flexible with time and willing to let you drop your rough draft off in the evening and pick it up the next morning to turn in for an 8 am class. That meant I was typing nursing papers at 3 am sometimes, and my grandmother would usually handle the pickup and money collecting if they had to come early (she was usually up around 6 am, and that's around the time I usually went to bed). I did have to put a stop to her trying to cajole them into giving me a tip, though. I didn't want them to think I'd put her up to it, and at any rate some of them tipped routinely anyway.

So they were hardly "insubstantial". Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that you never paid anyone to do anything for you? Ever in your life? Because if you do, I'm going to call BS on that.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, it does appear that he fired people who worked for him.

 

[Core Imposter]

It would be beneficial to climb off your self-erected pedestal to remember that back in the '80s and '90s, not everyone owned typewriters, let alone computers and printers, and they were godawful expensive back then. It's hardly "insubstantial" to go through the work of doing the research, writing the paper - in longhand - and then realize that you either don't have time to type the thing because your kids need you (some of my students were mothers; they weren't all 18-year-olds fresh out of high school), or you have a dozen more assignments you need to finish for other courses, or you have a job to get to, or you never took typing in the first place and don't know how to do it.

But then lo! you spot an ad on the bulletin board for a typist who charges a rate you can afford, and you discover it's someone who actually gives a damn about whether you pass or fail and therefore does a beyond-excellent job on the paper that could be worth a significant chunk of your final grade. The typist you chose was flexible with time and willing to let you drop your rough draft off in the evening and pick it up the next morning to turn in for an 8 am class. That meant I was typing nursing papers at 3 am sometimes, and my grandmother would usually handle the pickup and money collecting if they had to come early (she was usually up around 6 am, and that's around the time I usually went to bed). I did have to put a stop to her trying to cajole them into giving me a tip, though. I didn't want them to think I'd put her up to it, and at any rate some of them tipped routinely anyway.

So they were hardly "insubstantial". Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that you never paid anyone to do anything for you? Ever in your life? Because if you do, I'm going to call BS on that.

Yeah. I paid people to do things for me. But I had a typewriter in high school, but maybe that's because I worked.

I do applaud your initiative. And would hire you based on that story, if I was still in business, which I am not. Sometimes, I admit, I go over the top a bit. If I could earn more money working than doing something else, yeah, I paid someone to do whatever. I even had a few vacations. There is another difference between my generation and later ones. It became standard thinking that it was a bad thing to work all the time. Many, not all by any means, but many of us were a lot like I read the Japanese are. Work till you drop. Fairly common, though I had secret reasons to do it.

 

[Lexicus]

"Generations" were invented by advertising executives to sell things btw, the war that matters is not between the old and young but between the owning and working classes...

 

[Core Imposter]

"Generations" were invented by advertising executives to sell things btw, the war that matters is not between the old and young but between the owning and working classes...

Every now and then you'll say something I agree with.

 

[GenMarshall]

Nixon was a great president pulled down by the lousy Democrats for some minor thing that both parties do all the time...and who could blame the guy given that Joe Kennedy and the Democrats stole the 1960 election in Chicago!

Something something something Watergate. Great president? I’d doubt it given he’s got an enemies list and caught red handed with Watergate.

 

[Zardnaar]

Speaking as someone who was just alive in 1980 (I'm the same age as Blondie's Call Me), I consider myself to be a Xennial, on the border between Gen X and Millennial. I'm too old to have taken a GCSE in computing, but young enough to experience the tail end of "web rings" and the Hampster Dance meme.

I'm 78 so young Xer.

Wife would be Xennial.

GenZ has the worst music [names 2 millennials]

Heh.

Taylor Swift not my type of music. She's a superstar for a reason though just like Madonna or Beyonce etc.

bit of a bizarre take, music is finally getting good after being pretty terrible in the 2010s

If you dig for it.

Pop music is what's terrible.