[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

[SemiLazyGamer]

Frankly, those of you on the left have been frothing for awhile now and it doesn't take much to set you off these days, but I haven't seen folks on the right as pissed off as, well, ever, so mission probably accomplished.

The handful of leftist spaces I frequent have been disapproved of or outright disallowed the "frothing " because many of them are worried that their spaces being targeted for doing so.

Also, Pepperidge Farm remembers when the right was angry about Trump being shot, or the retransitioned person shooting up a school, or 2020, or Obama being elected.

On a similar note, been hearing claims that Trump's Charlie Kirk message was made by AI.

 

[caketastydelish]

Even the young Turks, who don't remotely agree with him, condemned the murder.

 

[Ordnael]

Knew him from little clips circulating on 9gag. These clips showed him debating against college students and such. I really enjoyed the way he stripped these social activist of their regurgitated narrative driven arguments.
The things he said about 2nd amendment and school shootings I did not know. I wouldn't mourn him anyway, but that stance does take the cake.
Nevertheless killing someone for his opinions is vile, but to celebrate his death paint folks less humane to me.

 

[JPetroski]

Whackadoodle civilian with a gun? Yeah, I'd take that bet as long as it doesn't exclude veterans and current security/cops.

I do not think this is a contract killing or done to order by domestic or foreign intelligence services/organised crime.

I’ll buy a supporter badge for you (on my phone so not sure if you have it) if some random civilian is convicted of this. Not someone killed in a raid and offered up, right or wrong, as a stoolie, mind you, but tried and convicted.

I’d expect the same if someone reasonably not in the “deranged civilian” category is convicted.

 

[GenMarshall]

The handful of leftist spaces I frequent have been disapproved of or outright disallowed the "frothing " because many of them are worried that their spaces being targeted for doing so.

Funny, the left leaning reddit spaces were literally dancing on his grave, even when the body was still warm. Fortunately, the ones I venture in condemn the glorification of political violence.

 

[PhroX]

I think it's perfect reasonable to think that political violence is wrong while still believing that the world is a better place without Charlie Kirk and feeling some degree of schadenfreude that someone who thinks that empathy is bad and that gun deaths are acceptable got to experience the consequences of those beliefs personally.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

but I haven't seen folks on the right as pissed off as, well, ever

You sure about that?

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

Funny, the left leaning reddit spaces were literally dancing on his grave, even when the body was still warm. Fortunately, the ones I venture in condemn the glorification of political violence.

Then our versions of frothing are different then, because when I think of frothing, I'm thinking of folks deliberately calling for people's heads, like what many in the far-right have been doing in the wake of this.

 

[Arakhor]

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[JPetroski]

I wasn’t so much talking about this incident with the “frothing” comment as just the general observation that it really doesn’t seem to take much to piss of the American left these days. Some of them have a pretty broad definition of violence, for example.

Twitters basically on fire right now and it’s worse than it was with Trump. Far worse.

Pretty sure that was the plan. I think my conservative friends need to calm down and realize that.

You sure about that?

TBH, yeah. Not saying they’ve never been mad but never seen them THIS mad.

 

[caketastydelish]

Trump's ear was shot but he survived. This man died. So of course, in that sense, it's worse.

 

[JPetroski]

Trump's ear was shot but he survived. This man died. So of course, in that sense, it's worse.

True, if he had died, the breaking point probably would have been then.

 

[Arwon]

I've never heard him promote violence - but I'm open to change my mind if you can find examples.

did you not see my post where he advocated for children to be made to watch public executions

 

[caketastydelish]

I don't know other countries histories as well as my own but I assume in other "western" countries like fellow NATO countries and Austrlaia, Japan etc their presidents or prime ministers being assassinated is something that dosen't happen ot hasn't happened in a very long time. In America it seems to be common. Reagan survived but barely. Trump perhaps the same could be said. JFK, Mckinley, Lincoln, probably others. On 9/11 a lot of people were worried that Bush died, and rightfully so.

 

[caketastydelish]

did you not see my post where he advocated for public executions

A public execution at least has a jury convict someone and a judge sentence them in a court of law. That is different than just shooting someone because you disagree with them. To be clear, I don't want public executions, but that is a weak equivlence.

 

[Snowygerry]

Political murder is simply part of your culture, but usually targets are more meaningful.

The list, in the past two months alone: the killing of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, the firebombing of a Colorado march calling for the release of Israeli hostages, and the firebombing of the official residence of Pennsylvania’s governor — on a Jewish holiday while he and his family were inside.

And here’s just a sampling of some other attacks before that — the killing of a health care executive on the streets of New York late last year, the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in small-town Pennsylvania during his presidential campaign last year, the 2022 attack on the husband of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi by a believer in right-wing conspiracy theories, and the 2017 shooting by a liberal gunman at a GOP practice for the congressional softball game.

Political violence is threaded through recent US history. The motives and justifications vary

The attacks on two Democratic Minnesota state lawmakers at home are the latest in a grim spike in political violence.

apnews.com

 

[Arwon]

I don't know other countries histories as well as my own but I assume in other "western" countries like fellow NATO countries and Austrlaia, Japan etc their presidents or prime ministers being assassinated is something that dosen't happen ot hasn't happened in a very long time. In America it seems to be common. Reagan survived but barely. Trump perhaps the same could be said. JFK, Mckinley, Lincoln, probably others. On 9/11 a lot of people were worried that Bush died, and rightfully so.

Yes, the US is already an authoritarian society descending into endemic social and political violence. A politician and her family and dog were assassinated in the US like two months ago and it barely moved the dial and had no lasting impact.

This guy is gettiing Horst Wesselled now out of rank rank opportunism by the very movement responsible for the authoritarian turn of the US. It's not a great look getting sucked in like a rube into doing civility politics regarding a guy who literally used his dying breath to spread racism and anti-trans hate. You can just, note the irony and move on and not get suckered in.

 

[Theov]

did you not see my post where he advocated for children to be made to watch public executions

He argued that people who get the death penalty should be executed publicly - which means 'open to the public', not 'in public'. And that children at one point should also watch it.
Your point being?

 

[Arwon]

A public execution at least has a jury convict someone and a judge sentence them in a court of law. That is different than just shooting someone because you disagree with them. To be clear, I don't want public executions, but that is a weak equivlence.

In civilised countries we don't have capital punishment because it's a barbaric relic. He's advocating killing people in public, he got killed in public, it's called irony.

Plus tbh, he's an American far right wing polemicist, a promoter of the ascendant ideology in an intrinsically violent society which they now control. Every second thing they say, and most of the things they advocate, are at the very least forms of social violence (hell, he's on record saying he would deny his 10 year old daughter an abortion even if she were raped, a deeply disturbed and cruel mind), and a bunch of them are also just directly about supporting killing people in other countries.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Yes, the US is already an authoritarian society descending into endemic social and political violence. A politician and her family and dog were assassinated in the US like two months ago and it barely moved the dial and had no lasting impact.

This guy is gettiing Horst Wesselled now out of rank rank opportunism by the very movement responsible for the authoritarian turn of the US. It's not a great look getting sucked in like a rube into doing civility politics regarding a guy who literally used his dying breath to spread racism and anti-trans hate. You can just, note the irony and move on and not get suckered in.

They don't care, people on the recieving end of people like Kirk's rhetoric are expected to endlessly take this **** with grace, whilst these bad faith actors can spew their bile with next to no repercussions.