Chewing gum in class? That'll be detention AND a fine

[attackfighter]

Such a dumb play

I don't disagree with the point of the play, it was just... so poorly portrayed, IMO.

The play is so single minded in it's aim you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to consider the moral "poorly portrayed".

 

[downtown]

Well... I can't exactly sit up straight without pain, at least not for more than a few minutes at a time. So if 4 different teachers got after me for that within a few days, that would be $5 there.

Somebody with your physical aliments would almost certainly be given an IEP waiver for the posture rules. You wouldn't have to follow them.

 

[GhostWriter16]

The play is so single minded in it's aim you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to consider the moral "poorly portrayed".

It wasn't poorly portrayed in that I found it difficult to understand. It was poorly portrayed in the sense that, while the greater part of its moral point is true, it portrays an extreme example, doesn't even bother to truly address the moral dilemmas of Willy's lies, it just makes us feel bad for him. In reality, I didn't, because of what he did (And never repented for it) to his wife.

And Biff never reports it to her either. That kinda bothered me.

And the ending, just, ugh. I don't mind less than a happy ending, but I don't want to see the main character kill himself due to depression.

Just... a poorly done story.

And before you just assume that I'm hating on Arthur Miller... I liked the Crucible.

 

[attackfighter]

It wasn't poorly portrayed in that I found it difficult to understand. It was poorly portrayed in the sense that, while the greater part of its moral point is true, it portrays an extreme example, doesn't even bother to truly address the moral dilemmas of Willy's lies, it just makes us feel bad for him. In reality, I didn't, because of what he did (And never repented for it) to his wife.

Most great stories are exaggerated - makes them more entertaining and better able to explore ideas that would otherwise be impossible to explore. Exaggeration = great. As for "not exploring the moral dilemma of Willy's lies" - that is just an arbitrary fault you made up. There's no reason for it to do that. I suppose Dracula failed to explore the moral dilemma Dracula faced when committing acts of evil and thus it poorly portrayed the true meaning of what it means to be a vampire. Right? Arbitrary faults - gotta love them.

And Biff never reports it to her either. That kinda bothered me.

She already knew - she was just in self-denial you see. Remember, she's the one who tells Biff about Willy's suicide attempt, and furthermore I believe she mentions a few times that she's aware of how Willy has to borrow money from their neighbour. She refuses to address these issues because she's afraid and wants to live in wilfully imposed, blissful ignorance.

And the ending, just, ugh. I don't mind less than a happy ending, but I don't want to see the main character kill himself due to depression.

You ever heard of a tragedy? Also he DID NOT KILL HIMSELF DUE TO DEPRESSION. Ugh, you people and your censored Amerikwan versions. He killed himself because he wanted to cash in on his life insurance and finally realise his dreams - of making a ton of cash and having a ton of family members and customers mourn him at his funeral. It didn't go the way he planned though, since you don't get life insurance for suicide and no one asides from 5 of his family and neighbours really cared enough to show up at the funeral.

Just... a poorly done story.

Yeah I'm sure your personal opinions magically turn into facts when you type them out. Mine do to. "I am God". Now bring 100 virgin females as sacrifice - I will it.

And before you just assume that I'm hating on Arthur Miller... I liked the Crucible.

Oh that's good, wouldn't want to think you hate anybody after all.

*** IMPORTANT EDIT ***

I just remembered another possible reason for Willy's suicide. I believe Biff needed a bunch of money if he was to go to summer school and later college. And so Willy's attempt to get his life insurance money was influenced by that need (as well as the other reasons I mentioned).

 

[GhostWriter16]

You ever heard of a tragedy? Also he DID NOT KILL HIMSELF DUE TO DEPRESSION. Ugh, you people and your censored Amerikwan versions. He killed himself because he wanted to cash in on his life insurance and finally realise his dreams - of making a ton of cash and having a ton of family members and customers mourn him at his funeral. It didn't go the way he planned though, since you don't get life insurance for suicide and no one asides from 5 of his family and neighbours really cared enough to show up at the funeral.

Personally, and I know its common, but I really don't like either flat out tragedy or a flat out hallmark ending. I'm OK with a good ending, but not a perfect one, and a bad ending, but not an irredeemable one.

I accept your correction about Willy (I didn't like it enough to remember the details when we read it in school). I suppose Biff's realization is a beam of sunlight in a dark ending, but still, I just didn't like it. I don't have a problem with the main character dying, but SUICIDE? I just don't like it.

In addition, while I agree with you about the motivation, Biff claims it was because "He never knew who he was" which completely beats the point. The most important point, to me, was that Willy was a jerk who never really manned up and admitted his wrongdoings.

Can I just say I didn't like it and leave it at that? I am entitled to that after all...

 

[cav scout]

<insert Death of a Salesman post here>

Meanwhile, in Chicago- I hear that something is going on regarding kids and discipline in the classroom...

 

[Commodore]

Well... I can't exactly sit up straight without pain, at least not for more than a few minutes at a time. So if 4 different teachers got after me for that within a few days, that would be $5 there.

Or you could provide the school with your medical history proving that you have back problems and that would solve the problem right there.

 

[DroopyTofu]

First time offenses are treated leniently. A child has to misbehave 4 times in a two week period before they incur a detention with a $5 fee. So this means warnings for the first 3 offenses before any punishment.

In that case, I guess I have no problem with this. That way, it should only target the kids who go out of their way to break rules. Those are the ones who need to be taught a lesson, and if cutting into their money is the only way, then it's prbably good to do.