Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Ok, I predict no more new Militaristic leaders starting NOW! I wasn't right last time, or the time before, but this has to be the one, right?

 

[Zaarin]

Ok, I predict no more new Militaristic leaders starting NOW! I wasn't right last time, or the time before, but this has to be the one, right?

We do seem to have a surfeit of them...

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

We do seem to have a surfeit of them...

Indeed. Seven Militaristic, only exceeded by eight Economic (three leaders are Militaristic-Economic).

 

[Xandinho]

We do seem to have a surfeit of them...

Indeed. Seven Militaristic, only exceeded by eight Economic (three leaders are Militaristic-Economic).

I wonder if this has something to do with feedback from the surveys they did a few years ago. Could it be that there are more warmonger players than we might assume?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I wonder if this has something to do with feedback from the surveys they did a few years ago. Could it be that there are more warmonger players than we might assume?

I've always considered it to be the most popular playstyle, particularly with younger and more casual players. It's certainly my kids' favorite.

 

[Xandinho]

I've always considered it to be the most popular playstyle, particularly with younger and more casual players. It's certainly my kids' favorite.

There's also the fact that warmonger leaders (Napoleon, Alexander, and Charlemagne...) are more familiar to players who aren’t history nerds, because they’re more commonly studied in school.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I wonder if this has something to do with feedback from the surveys they did a few years ago. Could it be that there are more warmonger players than we might assume?

That and everyone loved posting their trade route yields. Then again maybe they want to emphasize the new economic victory conditions, like they did with faith last game?

 

[Archanist]

Just thought of an out there leader pick that could also potentially link to a lot of civs (Majapahit, Hawaii, Spain, Mexico), without having an actual historical civ to himself: José Rizal.

Ngl, pre-Civ 7 I wouldn't have liked him as a leader since others exist (like maybe Manuel Quezon), and he would work way better as a Great Writer (with his works Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo). However given the change to non-state leaders and decoupling from civs, Rizal can work as a cultural leader, if not Andres Bonifacio since we have so many militaristic leaders already.

He's also a really good candidate for a persona, since there's debate whether he was more pro reform under Spain, or more pro revolution for independence.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

I've always considered it to be the most popular playstyle, particularly with younger and more casual players. It's certainly my kids' favorite.

I understand why we've got such a surplus, of course, but as someone who tends to prefer peaceful play I'd like to see some more variety of peaceful leaders with interesting gimmicks or gameplay loops like we're getting with all these domination folks. I guess we've yet to see how Himiko or Franklin look like, though, I could see them turning out interesting... and perhaps Ashoka and Hatshepsut will be deeper in practice than I had assumed. Still think Augustus gameplay is just going to be "pick the civ that likes towns every age transition," but I guess it'll make that loop more satisfying?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I understand why we've got such a surplus, of course, but as someone who tends to prefer peaceful play I'd like to see some more variety of peaceful leaders with interesting gimmicks or gameplay loops like we're getting with all these domination folks. I guess we've yet to see how Himiko or Franklin look like, though, I could see them turning out interesting... and perhaps Ashoka and Hatshepsut will be deeper in practice than I had assumed. Still think Augustus gameplay is just going to be "pick the civ that likes towns every age transition," but I guess it'll make that loop more satisfying?

I didn't really understand Ashoka-WR at first. Population and Happiness? Big whoop. But I'm seeing it better now. He gets either big borders or lots of towns. It's good for the Economic Legacy in Antiquity and the Science Legacy in Exploration. All that Happiness will get him more Celebrations and therefore more policy slots.

It's not a simple direct benefit, it's something to work with and mold to your ideal. Powerfully versatile.

 

[Zaarin]

I understand why we've got such a surplus, of course, but as someone who tends to prefer peaceful play I'd like to see some more variety of peaceful leaders with interesting gimmicks or gameplay loops like we're getting with all these domination folks.

As a peaceful player, I'm also worried that all these warmongers are going to be constant bullies...though I admit in Civ6, at least at lower difficulties, even Shaka, Genghis, Alexander, and Gorgo tended to mind their own business most of the time and Dom Satan, erm, Pedro declared war on me more than any other leader so...who knows?

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

As a peaceful player, I'm also worried that all these warmongers are going to be constant bullies...though I admit in Civ6, at least at lower difficulties, even Shaka, Genghis, Alexander, and Gorgo tended to mind their own business most of the time and Dom Satan, erm, Pedro declared war on me more than any other leader so...who knows?

Shaka was always the earliest to declare war - rarely got out of the Ancient Era before he was trying to swarm me with Spearmen.
Pedro was simply consistent: sooner or later, no matter where he was or what else was happening, he would eventually declare war.

The rest not so much. In fact, one time when I put all of the 'aggressive' Civ VI leaders into the same game: Genghis, Alexander, Shaka, Pedro, Gorgo, Montezuma - they ended up attacking each other and left me completely alone!

Given the apparent glut of Militarists in Civ VII, I will be tempted to try that again, and see if I can get them to bury the hatchet in each other and leave me to quietly build . . .

 

[chaosprophet]

As a peaceful player, I'm also worried that all these warmongers are going to be constant bullies...though I admit in Civ6, at least at lower difficulties, even Shaka, Genghis, Alexander, and Gorgo tended to mind their own business most of the time and Dom Satan, erm, Pedro declared war on me more than any other leader so...who knows?

This made me think, for a peaceful player would be interesting to be Machiavelli with all other ai player being militarist / aggressive. Then you just manipulate people to wage war against each other while you stay there minding your own business. And if one decides to declare war to you, you use the whole IP units ability to defend yourself.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

This made me think, for a peaceful player would be interesting to be Machiavelli with all other ai player being militarist / aggressive. Then you just manipulate people to wage war against each other while you stay there minding your own business. And if one decides to declare war to you, you use the whole IP units ability to defend yourself.

Exactly! The Leaders in Civ VII have some very different potential from those in previous Civs. Mach the Knife is one very obvious one, but I suspect there will be more before all the Release Leaders and Personas are shown, and even more whose 'specialty' play styles will be discovered by gamers after release.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

This made me think, for a peaceful player would be interesting to be Machiavelli with all other ai player being militarist / aggressive. Then you just manipulate people to wage war against each other while you stay there minding your own business. And if one decides to declare war to you, you use the whole IP units ability to defend yourself.

I'm primarily a peacemonger, but Machiavelli appeals to me for precisely that reason. You can use diplomacy to put your rivals against each other and quietly annex all the city-states while they exhaust themselves.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'm guessing both will be Tuesday, since Thursday is a major US holiday.

 

[moysturfurmer]

On one hand, they don’t specify anything is coming next week, so perhaps Thanksgiving week is a wrench in their marketing cadence. In the other, they say a new civ reveal is “very soon,” so maybe one will be up by the time I finish posting this sentence, which I will make as long as possible to give them as much time to get the post ready–thank you so much for the surprise drop Firaxis, I know I speak for all of us when I say we appreciate the inevitable reveal you are in the process of doing at this very moment.

Edit: damn really figured that would work

 

[Olle Wernersson]

Perhaps Persia will be revealed next week

 

[Zaarin]

Perhaps Persia will be revealed next week

Persia was revealed a month ago.

Since we already know Songhay's associated leader, my guess is Hawai'i and a Hawai'ian leader next, but the nebulous association between leaders and civs has actually made guessing quite difficult despite how predictable the leader choices have been...

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Persia was revealed a month ago.

Since we already know Songhay's associated leader, my guess is Hawai'i and a Hawai'ian leader next, but the nebulous association between leaders and civs has actually made guessing quite difficult despite how predictable the leader choices have been...

Charlemagne independently following the Majapahit has made me second guess everything. Is it Songhai and Amina? Or is it Hawaii and a random guy named George who sat next to Ed Beach in second grade?